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Deadwood to Cripple Creek to Albuquerque to Laughlin.

I started playing $1 to $5 Seven Card Stud 8 or Better, no ante, in Deadwood, South Dakota in the summer of 1992. They whacked me pretty good at first, taking all my day labor money. But I was searching hi and lo for information on how to play the game correctly. I finally found what I was looking for in a library in Fort Collins, Colorado. A friend and I stopped into Fort Collins to work a few days of day labor. Two books that were written by Andy Nelson. They were small books and I ran them to the copy machine.

Gene, the friend I was with, was a rubber tramp. That's a tramp who lives out of his car. His wife and kid were killed in an autombile accident and Gene just wandered around the country after that. He was a real nice guy. We were on our way from Rapid City, South Dakota to Frisco, Colorado where the day labor jobs paid the best in the country. We made it to Frisco and when I wasn't working I was studying the Andy Nelson books on Stud 8.

Gene and I had both banked up some money. Gene wanted to go to Grand Isle, Louisiana, but I had other ideas. We said our goodbyes. He headed south and I hitchhiked back to Deadwood.

I can still see the smiles that grew on their faces when I walked in the door of that poker room. The pigeon is back!!! There wasn't even a game going on, but they all broke for the poker table when they seen me walk in. It didn't work out for them though. I was no longer the fleecee, I was the fleesore. It didn't take long for all their smiles to disapear. I became an everyday grinder in that game.

More later....

Heh, I have all of Andy Nelson's little books, somewhere in this house. That brings back memories.

Mickey, since the online poker pretty much got the rug pulled out from under it, I have got back into horse racing and have been dabbling a bit betting on small tracks back east, from where I am at in California. I am amazed to find that almost every track now has some kind of racino attached to it. I can't help but wonder how much opportunity there is out there at these new venues, that is not listed on VPFree. I wish I were able to travel, but I'm not. I just wonder how many good machines and decent slot club and promos and mailers are out there in places like Oklahoma and West Virginia, etc.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

More later....

Bob, hopes and dreams will not sustain a gambler. You simply have to know the math and how to stay on the right side of the math.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
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Heh, I have all of Andy Nelson's little books, somewhere in this house. That brings back memories.

Mickey, since the online poker pretty much got the rug pulled out from under it, I have got back into horse racing and have been dabbling a bit betting on small tracks back east, from where I am at in California. I am amazed to find that almost every track now has some kind of racino attached to it. I can't help but wonder how much opportunity there is out there at these new venues, that is not listed on VPFree. I wish I were able to travel, but I'm not. I just wonder how many good machines and decent slot club and promos and mailers are out there in places like Oklahoma and West Virginia, etc.

I've heard there are machine plays in West Virginia, but I have never gotten a good report on Oklahoma. Who knows, maybe if I leave here, I'll take the scenic route and hit some of those out of the way places.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@> wrote:
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> Heh, I have all of Andy Nelson's little books, somewhere in this house. That brings back memories.
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> Mickey, since the online poker pretty much got the rug pulled out from under it, I have got back into horse racing and have been dabbling a bit betting on small tracks back east, from where I am at in California. I am amazed to find that almost every track now has some kind of racino attached to it. I can't help but wonder how much opportunity there is out there at these new venues, that is not listed on VPFree. I wish I were able to travel, but I'm not. I just wonder how many good machines and decent slot club and promos and mailers are out there in places like Oklahoma and West Virginia, etc.

The name of the cardroom in Deadwood was Big Jake's. I also played at Miss Kitty's too. I'd like to tell you that everything was honky dory after I started playing cards, how I parlayed the money up and became rich....but that's not what happened. I had bad habits like booze. I didn't drink when I gambled but I could hole up and throw money over a bar until the money got short.

I had no concept of money management. I was always playing poker with a short bankroll. So it didn't take much of a losing streak to knock me out of action....and I'd wind up back in a day labor office. Actually, digging a ditch is very good therapy for a loose calling poker player. And sometimes I just felt like hitchhiking off to someplace. I was in and out of action over the next four years.

There were actually some good Stud 8 players in Deadwood. There was a pretty good balance of good and bad players. It was great OJT. Stud 8 is a game where the cards are very unforgiving to bad players. A good player has a huge edge against a bad player. Most of the bad beat stories you hear revolve around holdem, that's because in holdem the cards in the center of the table belong to everyone. But in Stud 8 your cards belong to you and no one else.

But I was only grinding around $60 a day in Deadwood. Here and their a poker player would mention Cripple Creek, Colorado. "Do they play Stud Hi Lo there" I would ask. "Yes, the do" would come the answer.

Forget about West Virginia. By statute, slots/VP have between an 85% min to 95% max payout. Re table games, $25 min and craps is capped @ 2X odds.

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From: Bob Bartop <bobbartop@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:12 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Deadwood to Cripple Creek to Albuquerque to Laughlin.

I can't help but wonder how much opportunity there is out there at these new venues, that is not listed on VPFree. I wish I were able to travel, but I'm not. I just wonder how many good machines and decent slot club and promos and mailers are out there in places like Oklahoma > and West Virginia, etc.

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Slots and VP here in WV are very bad, that is the truth. Not worth your investment.

However, I deal at Mardi Gras near Charleston, and while we do have $25 blackjack games, we also have a whole pit full of $5, $10 and $15 games running all the time, 24/7.

Also poker variations, like 3 card, let it ride and four card. Roulette $5. Craps is $5 and you can do well, but it is true that the odds are severely limited. We have a huge poker room too.

Laura

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From: Robert Romanyshyn <bobfpdw@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: West Virginia gaming

Forget about West Virginia. By statute, slots/VP have between an 85% min to 95% max payout. Re table games, $25 min and craps is capped @ 2X odds.

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From: Bob Bartop <bobbartop@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:12 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Deadwood to Cripple Creek to Albuquerque to Laughlin.

I can't help but wonder how much opportunity there is out there at these new venues, that is not listed on VPFree. I wish I were able to travel, but I'm not. I just wonder how many good machines and decent slot club and promos and mailers are out there in places like Oklahoma > and West Virginia, etc.

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I've played at Mardi Gras, and it was the worst experience I've had. The VP is a joke. There are 3 odd VP games offered on multigame machines: JOB, Aces, and something with 4 of a kinds. The machines are penny machines, max bet brings it to $2 per hand, and that gives you a $1500 royal if you hit it. There are familiar slots, but they do NOT play the same as you're used to. Majority of games are pennies and nickels, but if you do venture in there pay attention, as max bet is very high on a number of the machines which leads to alot of pissed off people when they hit max bet and $25 is gone.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Romanyshyn <bobfpdw@...>
To: vpFREE <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: West Virginia gaming

Forget about West Virginia. By statute, slots/VP have between an 85% min to 95% max payout. Re table games, $25 min and craps is capped @ 2X odds.

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From: Bob Bartop <bobbartop@...>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:12 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Deadwood to Cripple Creek to Albuquerque to Laughlin.

> I can't help but wonder how much opportunity there is out there at these new venues, that is not listed on VPFree. I wish I were able to travel, but I'm not. I just wonder how many good machines and decent slot club and promos and mailers are out there in places like Oklahoma > and West Virginia, etc.

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My experience is based on the Hollywood casino in Charlestown. Nice to see that Charleston has $5 craps tables. How many times odds do they allow? Odds are the bread n butter of craps tables. Very easy to find 10X odds or better in Vegas, MS,and LA. I have relatives who live about 5 miles from Charlestown and we visit them 5 plus times a year. Sure would be nice to also visit Hollywood if the VP or craps were better.

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From: Laura Polley <Knit30@aol.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2012 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: West Virginia gaming

Slots and VP here in WV are very bad, that is the truth. Not worth your investment.

However, I deal at Mardi Gras near Charleston, and while we do have $25 blackjack games, we also have a whole pit full of $5, $10 and $15 games running all the time, 24/7.

Also poker variations, like 3 card, let it ride and four card. Roulette $5. Craps is $5 and you can do well, but it is true that the odds are severely limited. We have a huge poker room too.

Laura

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Romanyshyn <bobfpdw@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 5, 2012 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: West Virginia gaming

Forget about West Virginia. By statute, slots/VP have between an 85% min to 95% max payout. Re table games, $25 min and craps is capped @ 2X odds.

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From: Bob Bartop <bobbartop@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:12 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Deadwood to Cripple Creek to Albuquerque to Laughlin.

I can't help but wonder how much opportunity there is out there at these new venues, that is not listed on VPFree. I wish I were able to travel, but I'm not. I just wonder how many good machines and decent slot club and promos and mailers are out there in places like Oklahoma > and West Virginia, etc.

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