1076 20 20 2401 (Same side as Cash King Checkers - left of the two 25c games over there.) From about 11:30 AM to 1:05 PM
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----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Connor
To: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 3/4/2004 9:11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: crushed by Multi-Strike - but Ducky tonite
which machine were you on?
----- Original Message -----
From: vp_nbi
To: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 1:10 AM
Subject: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: crushed by Multi-Strike - but Ducky tonite
Tonite's MS NSUD experiment was a resounding success. Before scooping
up my on-the-spot cashback my net profit came out to $600. That puts a
little dent in the MS DDB debacle suffered on Sunday. In addition to
DDB, I can honestly say that I play Deuces flawlessly (I'm also
getting quite proficient at Pick 'Em, pity it isn't offered in the
area), of course Deuces is much easier to play. I didn't play it on
these MS machines previously because I've been spoiled by the
"Downtown Deuces" at the Las Vegas Club, but I've come around to NSUD
as it's really not that bad and obviously much better than 9-6 DDB.
The steady play of Deuces doesn't fray the nerves like DDB can and I
must say that when MS Deuces gets hot it gets real hot. At any rate
I'm looking forward to BDLX and NSUD this weekend to settle the
outstanding portion of my loan. 
--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stern"
<howard.w.stern@e...> wrote:
> Because of the game's structure, it is really easy to get killed.
About half the plays lose all "four" bets. Also since about 21-1/4% of
the payback in DDB is tied up in the four of a kinds or better going
any significant period without them will absolutely destroy your
bankroll. (Unfortunately, having played $1 9-6 DDB with progressives
at the Joliet casinos, I know that experience way too well!!)
>
> Also, if you think Multi-Strike is volatile, also check out Super
Times Pay (A bad version of that game is available at Trump.). The one
good thing about it is that the strategy is always the same as the
base game but returns about 0.33% more than the base game. (In case
you do not know, this game is either 3, 5 or 10 play. You play a sixth
coin on each line that on average is worthless 14 out of 15 times.
When it "hits" the game issues a multiplier from 2 to 10 that works
for every hand on that play. The average multiplier is 4.05. If the
multiplier would average 4, the game in total would return the same ER
as the base game. Getting your fair share of multipliers, getting a
good average value on those multipliers and how you do on those hands
is obviously huge at almost 27% of your ER.)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: vp_nbi
> To: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 3/1/2004 8:28:08 PM
> Subject: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: crushed by Multi-Strike
>
>
> --- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stern"
> <howard.w.stern@e...> wrote:
> > In theory DDB (at 99.18%) is one of the lower return games on that
> machine.
>
> I know about the return on Multi-Strike DDB, but I wanted to play the
> game I know best on MS even if it meant sacrificing a little return.
> It did not occur to me to check out SDB. Maybe after I've recouped
> from this walloping I'll give that a look see. Incidentally Reno has
> DDB MS at "super pay" (10-6). Almost tempted to fly out for the April
> chess tournament, but that's coming up too fast.
>
> >If you decide to play and like DDB you might want to play SDB
> (99.89%). Multi-Strike is a volatile game and when mixed with DDB or
> even worse TDB (better return than DDB) is a very volatile game. I
> have been playing DB2s (A fairly volatile game but also the highest
> return at 99.96% versus 99.18% for DDB) on that machine and I am
> definitely behind. Due to the structure of Multi-Strike about 8/15 of
> your hands will be on the first line, 4/15 on the second, 2/15 on the
> third and 1/15 on the fourth. (This will be slightly skewed by the
> strategy adjustments on early lines such as two high cards rather a
> low pair etc. Being a member of this group, I assume you are aware
> that the strategy is different on each of the four lines.)
>
> Yes, I'm aware of Dancer's article. Even if I were to play all 4 lines
> straight up (which I don't) the difference can't possibly account for
> what transpired yesterday. I wish I had a video tape of my session
> that shows game count and elapsed time because I can't adequately
> describe the mauling in words. It simply had to be seen to be
> believed. I don't know what I could have done differently and don't
> know how to approach MS in the future. Might try SDB. OTOH, if the
> paytables don't measure up maybe I'll just defer MS to any Vegas or
> Reno visits.
>
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: vp_nbi
> > To: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: 3/1/2004 1:00:23 PM
> > Subject: [vpFREE_Chicago] crushed by Multi-Strike
> >
> >
> > After 4 consecutive winning sessions and one break even session I
> > suffered a major setback in $.25 Multi-Strike. All of the previous 5
> > weeks profits were erased.
> >
> > How bad was it? Even though I played the first 5 hours at 4x1 I still
> > managed to lose over $1k. That took some doing as I play DDB
> > perfectly. This experience has we wondering if these machines are
> > legit. Extremely conspicuous was the appearance of "blocker cards"
> > especially when drawing to trips, open ended straights, and flushes.
> > The open ended straight draws deserve extra comment. The void card was
> > always at the end of the range and it never resulted in a qualifier
> > (Q-J-10-9, draw is Q). It definitely caused me to wonder if an
> > algorithm was at work here. Also noteworthy is how often I failed to
> > make it past the 2nd level and that what few big hits occured they
> > took place at the first level.
> >
> > At this point I'm willing to concede my previous successes to a run of
> > incredible luck. Something definitely seems amiss with this game as
> > other competent players have gotten clobbered as well. My
> > recommendation would be to avoid it until more detailed analysis
> > becomes available in print.
> >
> >
> >
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