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Counterintuitive rating?

#1

I wondered if anyone has ever tried to rate games by how many counterintuitive hands it has. By that I mean, like in FPDW, what I think is a very counterintuitive hand is:

10-K Spades (open ended straight flush, or 4 cards to a Royal Flush) with a wild deuce.

Although in a 5 credit game, you have a 45 credit paying straight flush on the deal, there is (I believe) a strong temptation to throw away the deuce and go for a 4000 credit royal. (Does anyone who sees a 4 to a Royal Flush in FPDW not hestitate for at least a moment? heh)

Another example of a good counterintuitive hand, is two pair on the deal in FP Bonus Poker (PT 8/5) when one pair is Aces. The temptation (once again, I believe) to just hold Aces is strong if you don't know any better.

I believe the second example, since it is much more common hand, helps to fill casino coffers much more regularly than the rarer hands like the first.

Anyway, maybe this is something that has another term than I'm using, but I didn't really see anything in the glossery.

(Ultimately, I was musing, that casinos really want a game with stong counterintuiti(vity?) Also, just for kicks, if you were aiming to create the most counterintuitive game, how to go about it. Work from the strongest hands backwards and create the rest of the game around that?)

#2

Now that I've thought about it some more, though it seems real enough, it's probably only a subjective measurement.

#3

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "theprostitutionstate"
<theprostitutionstate@...> wrote:

I wondered if anyone has ever tried to rate games by how many

counterintuitive hands it has. By that I mean, like in FPDW, what I
think is a very counterintuitive hand is:

10-K Spades (open ended straight flush, or 4 cards to a Royal Flush)

with a wild deuce.

Although in a 5 credit game, you have a 45 credit paying straight

flush on the deal, there is (I believe) a strong temptation to throw
away the deuce and go for a 4000 credit royal. (Does anyone who sees a
4 to a Royal Flush in FPDW not hestitate for at least a moment? heh)

What am I missing here? A 10-K suited open straight flush with a deuce
is a Wild Royal (pays 125) not a Straight Flush (pays 45). I'll take
the guaranteed 125 credit win over a 1 in 47 chance of a 4000 credit win
every time. Even with the possible fall out of hitting a straight,
flush, straight-flush or wild royal when only holding the 4 to a royal
this still isn't even a close play.

Another example of a good counterintuitive hand, is two pair on the

deal in FP Bonus Poker (PT 8/5) when one pair is Aces. The temptation
(once again, I believe) to just hold Aces is strong if you don't know
any better.

Another case of of a choice that isn't even close. You have a
guaranteed 10 credit win with a reasonable chance (4/47) of converting
it to a 40 credit full house win. Chasing the Aces (400 credits) is a
1/360 proposition. You wouldn't even hold the pair of Aces in DDB if 2
pairs paid 10 credits. It would take a Super Aces type payout (2000
credits for all 4 Aces) to throw away the second pair when 2 pair pays
10 credits.

SB

#4

What am I missing here? A 10-K suited open straight flush with a deuce
is a Wild Royal (pays 125) not a Straight Flush (pays 45). I'll take
the guaranteed 125 credit win over a 1 in 47 chance of a 4000 credit win
every time. Even with the possible fall out of hitting a straight,
flush, straight-flush or wild royal when only holding the 4 to a royal
this still isn't even a close play.

Ah, That's what I get thinking late at night!

I guess what I was trying to get at, do you think if you actually monitored every person playing 8/5DB, more people would people would be playing the pair than just holding the Aces?

(Actually, based on some of the hands showing on the screen when I've first sat down at a machine, some people are making some odd choices --- I don't know how often that's true though)

Also:

the guaranteed 125 credit win over a 1 in 47 chance of a 4000 credit win

You really think the average joe or jane is thinking long term strategy, instead of hey, I only give up 125 credits this one time, and there's 1-47 chance to hit the jackpot?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "spartanbuckeye21" <kobj21@...> wrote:

#5

I guess what I was trying to get at, do you think if you actually monitored every person playing 8/5DB, more people would people would be playing the pair than just holding the Aces?

Above should be 8/5 BP

Long as I'm here though:

***"""You have a
guaranteed 10 credit win with a reasonable chance (4/47) of converting
it to a 40 credit full house win. Chasing the Aces (400 credits) is a
1/360 proposition. You wouldn't even hold the pair of Aces in DDB if 2
pairs paid 10 credits. It would take a Super Aces type payout (2000
credits for all 4 Aces) to throw away the second pair when 2 pair pays
10 credits."""***

If anyone sitting near me gave such an answer, I would be cued in they weren't the average player.

#6

OEJ is in a class by itself in terms of counter intuitiveness.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "theprostitutionstate" <theprostitutionstate@...> wrote:

#7

Well, the 99.9% Joker Poker 2 pair game has a lot of strange plays. I can recall holding a hand like 58suited, and drawing 555 for a quad, and the player sitting next to me just shaking his head back and forth like I was the biggest moron in the world.

Or how about Quick Quads Triple Bonus +. Now that game has some really counterintuitive hands, especially for someone who doesn't fully appreciate the concept of the game. For example, a hand like AKTsuited+T,9. I'm guessing over 99% of players would automatically hold the 3 card royal. Correct play is to hold the "quick trip" TT+A9.

EE

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "theprostitutionstate" <theprostitutionstate@...> wrote:

I wondered if anyone has ever tried to rate games by how many counterintuitive hands it has............