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Countdowns on machines

#1

In a message dated 8/21/06 3:56:07 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
Adams_Myth@HotMail.Com writes:

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At Harrahs and Showboat (and now, most likely at Caesars and Bally's),
it is $10 for a point. And I don't think the fractional points carry
over when you change a machine.

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It is $10/point for VP and $5/point for slots in HET casinos.

It is true the countdown gets reset, but the partial base points make it to
the daily running totals. You can confirm this by playing 1/2 point on two
different machines and checking the daily count.

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#2

it to the daily running totals. You can confirm this by playing 1/2
point on two different machines and checking the daily count.

That is nice to know. I will try your suggestion, next time I am there.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, GRAYTLEEGRAY@... wrote:

It is true the countdown gets reset, but the partial base points make

#3

I went to the executive host at the casino I play at. He showed me on
the computer my playing time when and what machine i was playing at the
time I did not lose any points by leaving early or before the complete
count down
dg

> It is true the countdown gets reset, but the partial base points

make

it to the daily running totals. You can confirm this by playing 1/2
point on two different machines and checking the daily count.

That is nice to know. I will try your suggestion, next time I am

there.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Adams Myth" <Adams_Myth@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, GRAYTLEEGRAY@ wrote:

#4

How high a roller do you have to be for the Executive Host to humour
you?

In the Harrah's Total Rewards programme, you accumulate a "Base"
point for every $10 coin in, but you are also given "Bonus" points
according to some unexplained criteria. In general, the Bonus points
depend on the game, how long you play it, and at what level.
Sometimes, the Bonus points are more than the Base points!

It appears to me that the Bonus points are very much dependent on the
length of time you are at a mchine. So, if you are a $1 player, but
hop between severl machines playing each for a short time, you don't
accumulate many (even any) bonus points. This is my understanding.

Is that correct?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gale66" <gale999@...> wrote:

I went to the executive host at the casino I play at. He showed me

on the computer my playing time when and what machine i was playing
at the time I did not lose any points by leaving early or before the
complete count down

#5

This is an interesting concept that had not occured to me.

I am assuming you mean that, while no points accrue for CB or comps
(when leaving a machine prior to the completion of the countdown)
that the player is still given credit for the coin-in (for possible
discretionary comps or offers) by the casino.

If I have misread this, please correct me.

Thanks,
~Babe~

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, GRAYTLEEGRAY@ wrote:
It is true the countdown gets reset, but the partial base points make
it to the daily running totals. You can confirm this by playing 1/2
point on two different machines and checking the daily count.

#6

<<I am assuming you mean that, while no points accrue for CB or comps (when
leaving a machine prior to the completion of the countdown) that the player
is still given credit for the coin-in (for possible discretionary comps or
offers) by the casino.>>

All coin in is counted for all purposes. The countdown shown on the machine
display only applies to the current session. You don't need to worry about
removing your card.

Cogno

#7

I really didn't think that I was confused on this subject. However,
after reading the comments of others, I guess that I am.

If, as Cogno comments below, "all coin-in is counted for all
purposes" (which presumably includes the accrual of points which can
be used for CB & comps) why is an individual point "countdown" even
necessary? I can understand a session countdown, which would
continue as long as you stayed at a machine, but not a single point
countdown.

Also, why does the countdown "start over" when you begin playing a
different machine? For example, I am assuming a hypothetical
countdown which starts at 40, and reduces to 0, at which time one
point is added to your total. Why does pulling your card, or moving
to another machine, half way through the cycle stop the count at
that point. The count then commences again, at 40, when the card is
re-inserted.

I guess that I just don't get it. I welcome the input of others.

Thanks!
~Babe~

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- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@...>
wrote:

All coin in is counted for all purposes. The countdown shown on the
machine display only applies to the current session. You don't need
to
worry about removing your card.
Cogno

#8

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@...>
wrote:

Also, why does the countdown "start over" when you begin playing a

different machine?

I guess that I just don't get it. I welcome the input of others.

Let me try.

I think the little displays above th emachine that track your play
are not very "smart". They are hardwired to dsiplay the "Welcome
to ...., insert your card", when there is no card in the slot, and as
soon as a card is inserted, report the number to the Mother machine,
(and in the case of Harrah's Total Rewards system, display the points
earned that day on other machines you may have played), and reset the
counter to zero. It doesn't have to rest to zero, it might as well
show the accumulation of your play for the day on different machines,
but that is not the case. They just reset to zero.

So if the card is withdrawn several times during a continuous
session, it will be treated as several sessions, each time the
counter being reset.

One of these days, I hope they change that. As the device both sends
and receives information, it could as well be modified to show the
status of the player that day.

However, as someone else said here, each of those individual sessions
are reported, and they may all be added up, fractions and all, in
your eventual "official" total. But knowing it as you play would be
nice, especially if you are trying to accumulate a certain number of
points.

I still have a question. What would be the result of such broken up
sessions on the award of Bonus points, in which the length of the
session is an important factor?

Inquiring minds want to know.

#9

On a somewhat related note this weekend, I noticed at the Wynn when I put in
my card, it showed me the "Welcome Jay" screen but then never moved on to
the screen that shows the accumulation of points during a session.

Has the Wynn gone the LVH "Accepted" route with their displays or is my card
just fried?

Thanks,

~Jay

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On 8/22/06, Adams Myth <Adams_Myth@hotmail.com> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@...>
wrote:
> Also, why does the countdown "start over" when you begin playing a
different machine?
> I guess that I just don't get it. I welcome the input of others.

Let me try.

I think the little displays above th emachine that track your play
are not very "smart". They are hardwired to dsiplay the "Welcome
to ...., insert your card", when there is no card in the slot, and as
soon as a card is inserted, report the number to the Mother machine,
(and in the case of Harrah's Total Rewards system, display the points
earned that day on other machines you may have played), and reset the
counter to zero. It doesn't have to rest to zero, it might as well
show the accumulation of your play for the day on different machines,
but that is not the case. They just reset to zero.

So if the card is withdrawn several times during a continuous
session, it will be treated as several sessions, each time the
counter being reset.

One of these days, I hope they change that. As the device both sends
and receives information, it could as well be modified to show the
status of the player that day.

However, as someone else said here, each of those individual sessions
are reported, and they may all be added up, fractions and all, in
your eventual "official" total. But knowing it as you play would be
nice, especially if you are trying to accumulate a certain number of
points.

I still have a question. What would be the result of such broken up
sessions on the award of Bonus points, in which the length of the
session is an important factor?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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#10

It's pretty easy. The machine display simply shows how much you've played on
that machine since you inserted your card. That's all there is to it.

Cogno

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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
jackessiebabe
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 9:27 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Countdowns on machines

I really didn't think that I was confused on this subject. However, after
reading the comments of others, I guess that I am.

If, as Cogno comments below, "all coin-in is counted for all purposes"
(which presumably includes the accrual of points which can be used for CB &
comps) why is an individual point "countdown" even necessary? I can
understand a session countdown, which would continue as long as you stayed
at a machine, but not a single point countdown.

Also, why does the countdown "start over" when you begin playing a different
machine? For example, I am assuming a hypothetical countdown which starts
at 40, and reduces to 0, at which time one point is added to your total.
Why does pulling your card, or moving to another machine, half way through
the cycle stop the count at that point. The count then commences again, at
40, when the card is re-inserted.

I guess that I just don't get it. I welcome the input of others.

Thanks!
~Babe~

- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@...>
wrote:

All coin in is counted for all purposes. The countdown shown on the machine
display only applies to the current session. You don't need to worry about
removing your card.
Cogno

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#11

I see the same at Borgata in AC; even on their new high resolution
Liquid Crystal Screen displays, which have theg ability to show lot
more information than the more common dot matrix displays.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Fenster" <fenster@...> wrote:

On a somewhat related note this weekend, I noticed at the Wynn when I

put in my card, it showed me the "Welcome Jay" screen but then never
moved on to the screen that shows the accumulation of points during a
session.

#12

played on that machine since you inserted your card. That's all there
is to it.

However, if you take out the card and reinsert it, it does show the
points you accumulated for that day. It shows the current RC and TC
scores, and Base and Bonus points for the day.

So, why can't they reprogram the machines to do this without the card
having to be withdrawn (thus indicating the conclusion of a session)
and reinserted?

(I am surprised we are discussing this topic to death!)

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@...> wrote:

It's pretty easy. The machine display simply shows how much you've

#13

If that is the case, in ALL casinos, then I presume that there is no
advantage to the player, in drawing just "one more hand", so the
next point is added on. Is that your understanding?

If that is the case, I, and I presume others as well, have made a
false assumption.

Thanks for the information.
~Babe~

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-In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@...> wrote:

It's pretty easy. The machine display simply shows how much you've
played on that machine since you inserted your card. That's all
there is to it.
Cogno

-----Original Message----- From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Ofjackessiebabe

If, as Cogno comments below, "all coin-in is counted for all
purposes" (which presumably includes the accrual of points which can
be used why does the countdown "start over" when you begin playing
a different machine? For example, I am assuming a hypothetical
countdown which starts at 40, and reduces to 0, at which time one
point is added to your total. Why does pulling your card, or moving
to another machine, half way through the cycle stop the count at
that point. The count then commences again, at 40, when the card is
re-inserted.

#14

<<So, why can't they reprogram the machines to do this without the card
having to be withdrawn (thus indicating the conclusion of a session) and
reinserted?>>

It's challenging enough explaining "how." If you want "why," you need to go
to a higher authority. :slight_smile:

Cogno

#15

<<If that is the case, in ALL casinos, then I presume that there is no
advantage to the player, in drawing just "one more hand", so the next point
is added on. Is that your understanding?>>

That is my understanding of the way Harrah's system works.

Cogno

#16

need to go to a higher authority. :slight_smile:

perhaps to Omni Scienti!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@...> wrote:

It's challenging enough explaining "how." If you want "why," you

#17

OK, Cogno! I think that we're now both reading the same page.

You are ONLY referring to Harrah's. I NEVER play at any of the
Harrah's casinos, in LV or elsewhere.

I am reasonably sure (but no longer CERTAIN) that in some LV locals
and downtown casinos, it is otherwise.

Regards,
~Babe~

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- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@...>
wrote:
That is my understanding of the way Harrah's system works.
Cogno

Babe wrote: If that is the case, in ALL casinos, then I presume that
there is no advantage to the player, in drawing just "one more
hand", so the next point is added on. Is that your understanding?>>