It sucks...
Big Surprise-how does 6-5 Bonus Poker sound?
http://www.vegastripping.com/news/news.php?news_id=3778
You were expecting 10/7 DB progressives?
Cosmo update
Thanks for the update, but to be fair, perhaps somebody who actually knows video poker could get the scoop. Obviously the writer of that article, plus the people who commented on it, are not "video poker people". Someone from THIS board needs to give a personal update.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
It sucks...
Big Surprise-how does 6-5 Bonus Poker sound?
http://www.vegastripping.com/news/news.php?news_id=3778
You were expecting 10/7 DB progressives?
I was at the grand opening. There's not a lot of VP to begin with. Only a few banks through the whole casino. Due to the crowds, I didn't have a chance to look at everything, or to go into High Limit, as there seemed to be a private reception going on in there.
The best thing I saw was a $0.25 8/5 Bonus Poker with a Royal progressive. Apart from that, at $1, it was 9/6 DB, 9/5 DDB, 7/5 BP, forgot the DW paytable, but it was just as bad, if not worse.
Someone else can probably give a more comprehensive inventory, but that's a start...
Quoting bobbartop <bobbartop@yahoo.com>:
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
It sucks...
Big Surprise-how does 6-5 Bonus Poker sound?
http://www.vegastripping.com/news/news.php?news_id=3778
You were expecting 10/7 DB progressives?Thanks for the update, but to be fair, perhaps somebody who actually knows video poker could get the scoop. Obviously the writer of that article, plus the people who commented on it, are not "video poker people". Someone from THIS board needs to give a personal update.
In high limit it is great they even have NSU up to $10 ten play and $25 five play. Bad news apart from temporary program until Jan 1, no cashback or freeplay and I was told no comps without first exhausting points -- think Harrah's. Some discretionary comps for Platinum level players which is their top tier, but no comps for VP players playing good games as they make "no money" on them. There will be free play randomly given out via the machines based on your historical play. So it will be Congratulations Mary for playing our penny video reels with the 15% hold, you have $100 in free slot play, or Jim " You VP parasite, we gave you 99%+ plus machines and you should be thankful, no freeplay for you". I heard of a massive player with a big loss being turned down for a comp already there.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, public@... wrote:
I was at the grand opening. There's not a lot of VP to begin with.
Only a few banks through the whole casino. Due to the crowds, I
didn't have a chance to look at everything, or to go into High Limit,
as there seemed to be a private reception going on in there.The best thing I saw was a $0.25 8/5 Bonus Poker with a Royal
progressive. Apart from that, at $1, it was 9/6 DB, 9/5 DDB, 7/5 BP,
forgot the DW paytable, but it was just as bad, if not worse.Someone else can probably give a more comprehensive inventory, but
that's a start...Quoting bobbartop <bobbartop@...>:
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
>>
>> It sucks...
>> Big Surprise-how does 6-5 Bonus Poker sound?
>> http://www.vegastripping.com/news/news.php?news_id=3778
>> You were expecting 10/7 DB progressives?
>>
>
>
> Thanks for the update, but to be fair, perhaps somebody who actually
> knows video poker could get the scoop. Obviously the writer of that
> article, plus the people who commented on it, are not "video poker
> people". Someone from THIS board needs to give a personal update.
>
>
I used to make casino openings. One of their common tricks was to put in strong video poker for opening day but then slash the payscales within a couple of weeks. Monte Carlo was one of those cases. They even had $5 FPDW on opening day but I think they lasted only a week.
I really wasn't looking for video poker plays. I was looking for advantage slot situations....and to be one of the first on them. The very good advantage slot situations that come to mind were the Mandalay Bay, Bellagio, and Paris openings.
The last opening I attended was Wynn Las Vegas. I walked the entire casino floor and found not even one advantage slot....the first time that ever happened. Of course, the advantage slot era was in it's dying throes by then.
The best thing I saw was a $0.25 8/5 Bonus Poker with a Royal
progressive.
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--- On Fri, 12/17/10, public@soundmessage.com <public@soundmessage.com> wrote:
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I saw 8/5 JorB progressive, but not 8/5 Bonus progressive. My notes say 6/5 Bonus progressive, along with 9/6 Double Bonus and 8/5 Double Double Bonus progressives. I could be wrong, maybe someone else can verify.
All the deuces I checked were 20-12-10-4-4-3-2-1
I also saw 8/6 JorB 3-play at $.25, $.50 and $1.
Near the back wall behind the sports book there's 8/6 and 9/5 JorB at $.25, $.50 and $1.
9/5 JorB at $1 & $2
Also saw 8/5 JorB 3-play, 5-play & 10-play at $.25, $.50 and $1.
Higher denminations ($5 to $100) offer 9/6 JorB, 9/7 Double Bonus, and 8/5 Bonus (I didn't check the deuces).
None of this vp is too exciting, of course. The star of the show is the eye candy, the restaurants on the upper levels, and the 4th floor pool & lounges overlooking the strip. It's worth a visit.
SH
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They have NSU is high limit, but there is no free play or cash back same day. They will be giving free play through the machines which are all server based, all indiviualized offers - already told good VP players will get zip on that and most people will also get zip on discretionary comps, use your points.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, S H <burberry25yo@...> wrote:
--- On Fri, 12/17/10, public@... <public@...> wrote:
The best thing I saw was a $0.25 8/5 Bonus Poker with a Royal
progressive.------------------------
I saw 8/5 JorB progressive, but not 8/5 Bonus progressive. My notes say 6/5 Bonus progressive, along with 9/6 Double Bonus and 8/5 Double Double Bonus progressives. I could be wrong, maybe someone else can verify.
All the deuces I checked were 20-12-10-4-4-3-2-1
I also saw 8/6 JorB 3-play at $.25, $.50 and $1.
Near the back wall behind the sports book there's 8/6 and 9/5 JorB at $.25, $.50 and $1.
9/5 JorB at $1 & $2
Also saw 8/5 JorB 3-play, 5-play & 10-play at $.25, $.50 and $1.
Higher denminations ($5 to $100) offer 9/6 JorB, 9/7 Double Bonus, and 8/5 Bonus (I didn't check the deuces).
None of this vp is too exciting, of course. The star of the show is the eye candy, the restaurants on the upper levels, and the 4th floor pool & lounges overlooking the strip. It's worth a visit.
SH
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Sad news indeed. It doesn't look like I will have much to report when I wander over to Cosmo tomorrow.
It may not mean a lot, but I do have an MBA degree. And one thing we learned in marketing is that it is smart strategy to introduce a new unfamiliar product with incredible incentives.
So, assume (in an alternate reality) Cosmo opens with every VP machine full-pay (but not over 100%). The casino still makes money. Inexperienced players wouldn't know the difference, but you and I would. And we would all join their slot club, and play, and become comfortable. Over time, a loyal following develops because people make the effort to play there.
But instead, unless your comfort zone allows for $500 a hand NSUD (which rules out 99.9% of you reading this) you're not seeing anything enticing at all. 7/5 Bonus? Why bother? Head for your nearest Harrahs instead.
It appears Cosmopolitan is following the same short-sighted strategy that so many others have tried: simply build a great big hotel with all the bells and whistles and of course the crowds will come. And like magic - Vegas prospers once again will no unemployment!
Dream on. I'm thinking about all those hotel rooms in town now. Who do they think will fill them?
One thing is clear: the opening of Cosmopolitan is great news - for California casinos. We certainly don't need to fly/drive in for that same old attitude Vegas has given us the last five years.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "caplatinum" <belairgold@...> wrote:
They have NSU is high limit, but there is no free play or cash back same day. They will be giving free play through the machines which are all server based, all indiviualized offers - already told good VP players will get zip on that and most people will also get zip on discretionary comps, use your points.
So I've heard talk of these "server based" systems for a couple years now. I've never actually seen it, and I do not fully understand what it will mean.
Let me ask a question. Say there are two players playing NSU. One guy plays well, the other guy sucks. Could (and would) the casino offer zip to the good player, yet offer incentives to the bad player? Even though both players are playing the same game, for the same length of time?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "caplatinum" <belairgold@...> wrote:
They have NSU is high limit, but there is no free play or cash back same day. They will be giving free play through the machines which are all server based, all indiviualized offers - already told good VP players will get zip on that and most people will also get zip on discretionary comps, use your points.
I read an article on this recently. As it stands now all of the older slot machines must have a chip inside them that has that machines program on it. I would say it would be like having a thumb drive plugged into your computer that had the program for that slot machine on it.
Server based gaming means that all of the game software will be stored on a computer server in one location. Then the slot machines will be linked to that computer via a network connection. By doing this the casinos will be allowed to download the programs for that game from a central computer, opposed to having to change each and every chip inside a game. It means they will have less downtime on games and be able to make changes in a second that would normally take several days. If you have been to a server based casino you will also see they can add a media window on the game as well. As it appears these media windows will take the place of the card readers as time goes. Aria had it where you could see resturant menus at the slot machine I was playing. I really think this will be a great option for all slot machines with a video monitor.
Hope that helps. I have yet to see one in Illinois, Iowa or Indiana.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bobbartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "caplatinum" <belairgold@> wrote:
>
> They have NSU is high limit, but there is no free play or cash back same day. They will be giving free play through the machines which are all server based, all indiviualized offers - already told good VP players will get zip on that and most people will also get zip on discretionary comps, use your points.
>So I've heard talk of these "server based" systems for a couple years now. I've never actually seen it, and I do not fully understand what it will mean.
Let me ask a question. Say there are two players playing NSU. One guy plays well, the other guy sucks. Could (and would) the casino offer zip to the good player, yet offer incentives to the bad player? Even though both players are playing the same game, for the same length of time?
Let me ask the big question here. If any of you were handed the keys to a brand new casino today what would you do with the video poker mix? Would you fill it with advantage pay machines? Would you offer full multipliers, incentive cash, comps, drawings and same day cash back to video poker players? I have often computed my trips and in an advantage situation the casino is upside down right as I walk through the door. I play $1 or higher, which the average person who does not know what their doing would not play. If I was looking at it from a business perspective, I would make the decision that would best benefit my business. As time goes I feel like many of us are shocked or mad that the casinos are not setting up advantage play machines anymore. Realize there are only a few true "advantage" players out there and the rest are "average" basic strategy players. Why would they cater to us knowing that we are looking for opportunities where we will not lose or minimize our risk? I started playing this knowing it was a recreational hobby, how about you?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
I used to make casino openings. One of their common tricks was to put in strong video poker for opening day but then slash the payscales within a couple of weeks. Monte Carlo was one of those cases. They even had $5 FPDW on opening day but I think they lasted only a week.
I really wasn't looking for video poker plays. I was looking for advantage slot situations....and to be one of the first on them. The very good advantage slot situations that come to mind were the Mandalay Bay, Bellagio, and Paris openings.
The last opening I attended was Wynn Las Vegas. I walked the entire casino floor and found not even one advantage slot....the first time that ever happened. Of course, the advantage slot era was in it's dying throes by then.
If I were a casino, I would think I would keep the possibility open for advantage players to make a relatively reasonable profit. That concept, I believe, is why blackjack enjoys such popularity. Everyone and their brother knows that blackjack can be beaten, so even without knowing basic strategy they still flock to this game, yet the average player's play is atrocious.
Another thing I have thought in the past, if I were a casino I would sprinkle in A LOT of good games at SMALL denominations, and ADVERTISE IT! Let the smaller players go ahead and eke out their small hourly wage, but just get people in the door. Fill that casino floor with bodies! Naturally, I would not deal $5 FPDW. But I'd give a real fair shake to the smaller players, and there would be NO HEAT! Roll out the welcome matt to players. I think in the long run, just get people into your casino, and they will find a way to lose their money. So what if the small fry grind out a little profit. It's good for business.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Poker Player" <videopokerplayer01@...> wrote:
Let me ask the big question here. If any of you were handed the keys to a brand new casino today what would you do with the video poker mix? Would you fill it with advantage pay machines? Would you offer full multipliers, incentive cash, comps, drawings and same day cash back to video poker players? I have often computed my trips and in an advantage situation the casino is upside down right as I walk through the door. I play $1 or higher, which the average person who does not know what their doing would not play. If I was looking at it from a business perspective, I would make the decision that would best benefit my business. As time goes I feel like many of us are shocked or mad that the casinos are not setting up advantage play machines anymore. Realize there are only a few true "advantage" players out there and the rest are "average" basic strategy players. Why would they cater to us knowing that we are looking for opportunities where we will not lose or minimize our risk? I started playing this knowing it was a recreational hobby, how about you?
Running a slot operation is not my long suit. I have no experience in it. So I can't really comment on it.
I was an opportunist. I played advantage situations which is my long suit. I've said this before but "advantage slots" is just a descriptive term. It doesn't mean a casino loses money on the machine. It pretty much means a sharp gambler is takimg advantage of short term advantage situations....putting a little dent in the overall profit a casino makes off a machine or bank of machines.
The Red Lion in Elko is a prime example. They had 8 unlinked flush attacks in the Red Lion and 2 across the street in Gold Country. I swept through those machines 2 or three times a day. I played each machine until I collected the bonus flush then cashed out and moved to the next machine. The normal cycle is 3 flushes at regular pay and one flush that paid the bonus. But by sweeping through the machines I averaged having to make only 2 flushes at regular pay and the third flush paid the bonus. Once I swept the bank out I got lost for a few hours then did the same thing again. I was letting the machines get ploppie action and putting in those regular pay flushes.
By doing this my theoretical was up around 4% edge. But what was the overall payback of the machines between myself and the ploppies. I got to view the actual payback screens of the machines many times when mechanics were working on them. All of the machines at Red Lion/Gold Country were holding 2% to 2.5% on the total action. But I was at a 4% edge.
I can't say how much of a dent percentagewise I was putting in their profit. Was it a tenth of a percent, a couple tenths, a half percent, I don't know. I just know I was pulling $5,000 a month out of ten machines there.
I was on each individual machine only about 20 minutes a few times a day....the rest of the action was all ploppies. That's the beauty of the play to me. And they were such bad players (7/5 flush attacks come in at 100.83% playing straight through with correct strategy) that the house was still making somewhere between 2% and 2.5%....even with my action mixed in. The house made so much because the ploppies simply wayundervalued the flush cards.
I think the only thing that killed Flush Attack was a very bad company, Sigma, and the advent of multi-game video pokers.
Flush Attack might be a video poker game but it is a prime example of how advantage slots work. The house still makes money.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Poker Player" <videopokerplayer01@...> wrote:
Let me ask the big question here. If any of you were handed the >keys to a brand new casino today what would you do with the video poker mix? Would you fill it with advantage pay machines? Would you offer full multipliers, incentive cash, comps, drawings and same day cash back to video poker players? I have often computed my trips and in an advantage situation the casino is upside down right as I walk through the door. I play $1 or higher, which the average person who does not know what their doing would not play. If I was looking at it from a business perspective, I would make the decision that would best benefit my business. As time goes I feel like many of us are shocked or mad that the casinos are not setting up advantage play machines anymore. Realize there are only a few true "advantage" players out there and the rest are "average" basic strategy players. Why would they cater to us knowing that we are looking for opportunities where we will not lose or minimize our risk? I started playing this knowing it was a recreational hobby, how about you?
Nudge,
I find you response humorous, yet slightly understand your concern as well
becuase it does read worse than it was when you chopped my full post. As to
why I never really responded to postings outside my area or just for the hell of
it? Because of the scrutiny of some members as you just proved. I was curious
as to how the Cosmo casino and video poker was and my thoughts were confirmed as
I was reading. You must remind yourself that we are talking about video poker
games where there are no hidden payout percentages. We know the casinos cannot
hide it and they all know we know how to figure it out. But I am constantly
amused by the shock and awe given by the constant comments about advantage play
going away which is why I responded. I have been playing for almost 20 years.
Do you really thing that the paytables of the 1990’s and 2000’s were going to
last forever? Because I did not and I look at both sides of this "hobby" and
wondered what others really think. As for the casinos, I am sure they are well
aware of this site and many others like it. As for me, the casino trip stuff is
a hobby to me and I too am always looking for the edge. I read blogs, state
gaming statistics and trade articles at times and if my knowledge makes you
paranoid then I guess I have learned a few worthy things in my time.
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From: nudge51 <nudge51@cox.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, December 18, 2010 7:06:45 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Cosmo update
-----Original Message-----
From: Poker Player
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 3:55 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Cosmo update
Let me ask the big question here. If any of you were handed the keys to a
brand new casino today what would you do with the video poker mix?
Would you fill it with advantage pay machines? Would you offer full
multipliers, incentive cash, comps, drawings and same day cash back to
video >poker players?
I am seeing red, as in red flags here, so let me offer a big warning. When
I see a post like this from a handle I don't immediately recognize, I go to
the vpFREE home page and click on messages and institute a search of the
handle being used. Recently, it seems that Yahoo is having problems
returning any information with such a search. In this instance the handle
of the poster, poker player, returned no hits, meaning that they show that
they have never posted. Well, I know that's not true, since I just read his
current post. Being just a dumb old hillbilly, I have never been able to
get the advanced search feature using author to work properly. Before any
of you AP's get the idea you may want to share what you do and where you do
it, you might want to give this some thought. There have been many posts in
the past from some of the more clueless members here bemoaning the
disappearance of over 100% return games and their inability to figure out
how to profit from playing a game that has negative return expectations.
Some of these have made me bite my lip almost had enough to draw blood. The
game is only one tree in the forest and some of you don't even understand
the rest of the trees that you see right in front of you. It may be that
poker player is not a casino black ops guy, but just a regular joe, but
something about the post gave me reasonable doubt. Consider the following
two similar statements.
" I want to master video poker so that I can win money from the casinos."
" I want to master video poker so that I can extract money from the
casinos."
If you still believe in the first statement, how are things back there in
the 80's? I was somewhat more mentally stable then. Just curious how you
are all doing still living in the past. If you have begrudgingly realized
that the second one is now true, welcome to the new video poker world of the
21st century, but be careful what you might want to offer as an explanation
to all of our buds stranded back in time. You don't know who you may be
talking to. And yes, I am quite comfortable with my level of paranoia.
Nudge
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The cashback is .2 and it shows up on the machines the next day after you play. The comp rate is the same. If you don't get freeplay or bounceback offers you are wasting your time. The best you can hope to do is break even if you play NSU and that is if you value the restaurant comps. For a high limit recreational player it is great place. Most of them run above expectancy and hit more royals than they are suppose to. They can brag to you at the end of the year about their dealt 10 play royal for $200,000.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "caplatinum" <belairgold@...> wrote:
They have NSU is high limit, but there is no free play or cash back same day. They will be giving free play through the machines which are all server based, all indiviualized offers - already told good VP players will get zip on that and most people will also get zip on discretionary comps, use your points.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, S H <burberry25yo@> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 12/17/10, public@ <public@> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The best thing I saw was a $0.25 8/5 Bonus Poker with a Royal
> progressive.
>
> ------------------------
>
> I saw 8/5 JorB progressive, but not 8/5 Bonus progressive. My notes say 6/5 Bonus progressive, along with 9/6 Double Bonus and 8/5 Double Double Bonus progressives. I could be wrong, maybe someone else can verify.
>
> All the deuces I checked were 20-12-10-4-4-3-2-1
>
> I also saw 8/6 JorB 3-play at $.25, $.50 and $1.
>
> Near the back wall behind the sports book there's 8/6 and 9/5 JorB at $.25, $.50 and $1.
>
> 9/5 JorB at $1 & $2
>
> Also saw 8/5 JorB 3-play, 5-play & 10-play at $.25, $.50 and $1.
>
> Higher denminations ($5 to $100) offer 9/6 JorB, 9/7 Double Bonus, and 8/5 Bonus (I didn't check the deuces).
>
> None of this vp is too exciting, of course. The star of the show is the eye candy, the restaurants on the upper levels, and the 4th floor pool & lounges overlooking the strip. It's worth a visit.
>
> SH
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Any idea how long you have to collect that 0.2% CB?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "VpKing77" <vpking77@...> wrote:
The cashback is .2 and it shows up on the machines the next day after you play. The comp rate is the same. >>>
>
> The cashback is .2 and it shows up on the machines the next day after you play. The comp rate is the same. >>>Any idea how long you have to collect that 0.2% CB?
No indication as to how long the CB lasts. You can download it to the machine after 24 hours once you enter your pin number.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "VpKing77" <vpking77@> wrote:
I was told the CB is temp promo - will go away early next year, maybe even Jan 1, there is no CB as part of their regular program
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "VpKing77" <vpking77@...> wrote:
The cashback is .2 and it shows up on the machines the next day after you play. The comp rate is the same. If you don't get freeplay or bounceback offers you are wasting your time. The best you can hope to do is break even if you play NSU and that is if you value the restaurant comps. For a high limit recreational player it is great place. Most of them run above expectancy and hit more royals than they are suppose to. They can brag to you at the end of the year about their dealt 10 play royal for $200,000.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "caplatinum" <belairgold@> wrote:
>
> They have NSU is high limit, but there is no free play or cash back same day. They will be giving free play through the machines which are all server based, all indiviualized offers - already told good VP players will get zip on that and most people will also get zip on discretionary comps, use your points.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, S H <burberry25yo@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 12/17/10, public@ <public@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The best thing I saw was a $0.25 8/5 Bonus Poker with a Royal
> > progressive.
> >
> > ------------------------
> >
> > I saw 8/5 JorB progressive, but not 8/5 Bonus progressive. My notes say 6/5 Bonus progressive, along with 9/6 Double Bonus and 8/5 Double Double Bonus progressives. I could be wrong, maybe someone else can verify.
> >
> > All the deuces I checked were 20-12-10-4-4-3-2-1
> >
> > I also saw 8/6 JorB 3-play at $.25, $.50 and $1.
> >
> > Near the back wall behind the sports book there's 8/6 and 9/5 JorB at $.25, $.50 and $1.
> >
> > 9/5 JorB at $1 & $2
> >
> > Also saw 8/5 JorB 3-play, 5-play & 10-play at $.25, $.50 and $1.
> >
> > Higher denminations ($5 to $100) offer 9/6 JorB, 9/7 Double Bonus, and 8/5 Bonus (I didn't check the deuces).
> >
> > None of this vp is too exciting, of course. The star of the show is the eye candy, the restaurants on the upper levels, and the 4th floor pool & lounges overlooking the strip. It's worth a visit.
> >
> > SH
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
That's interesting. I have $200 in CB that I left on my card and was going to pick up in January. Can they really get away with not disclosing this information to the customer. How can they hope to survive if they are next door to a casino that offers cashback and comps and not give the same. Remember this is a casino that has no customer base other than some names hosts have taken with them from former properties. Without a marketing strategy they are going to have some serious problems. The Palms offers cashback or comps and a generous mail program if they deem you a losing player. Hard Rock is similar. Harrahs mails out excellent offers along with free rooms. Does the Cosmopolitan think they are going to make it on nightclub and restauarant revenues alone.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "caplatinum" <belairgold@...> wrote:
I was told the CB is temp promo - will go away early next year, maybe even Jan 1, there is no CB as part of their regular program
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "VpKing77" <vpking77@> wrote:
>
> The cashback is .2 and it shows up on the machines the next day after you play. The comp rate is the same. If you don't get freeplay or bounceback offers you are wasting your time. The best you can hope to do is break even if you play NSU and that is if you value the restaurant comps. For a high limit recreational player it is great place. Most of them run above expectancy and hit more royals than they are suppose to. They can brag to you at the end of the year about their dealt 10 play royal for $200,000.
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "caplatinum" <belairgold@> wrote:
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> > They have NSU is high limit, but there is no free play or cash back same day. They will be giving free play through the machines which are all server based, all indiviualized offers - already told good VP players will get zip on that and most people will also get zip on discretionary comps, use your points.
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> > > The best thing I saw was a $0.25 8/5 Bonus Poker with a Royal
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> > > I saw 8/5 JorB progressive, but not 8/5 Bonus progressive. My notes say 6/5 Bonus progressive, along with 9/6 Double Bonus and 8/5 Double Double Bonus progressives. I could be wrong, maybe someone else can verify.
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> > > All the deuces I checked were 20-12-10-4-4-3-2-1
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> > > I also saw 8/6 JorB 3-play at $.25, $.50 and $1.
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> > > Near the back wall behind the sports book there's 8/6 and 9/5 JorB at $.25, $.50 and $1.
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> > > 9/5 JorB at $1 & $2
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> > > Also saw 8/5 JorB 3-play, 5-play & 10-play at $.25, $.50 and $1.
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> > > Higher denminations ($5 to $100) offer 9/6 JorB, 9/7 Double Bonus, and 8/5 Bonus (I didn't check the deuces).
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> > > None of this vp is too exciting, of course. The star of the show is the eye candy, the restaurants on the upper levels, and the 4th floor pool & lounges overlooking the strip. It's worth a visit.
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Was there last night talking to a few floor managers I know and found out that many of the hosts are new in the business so the customer base is lacking as it is. Video poker is almost non existant. Maybe 4-5 small banks in the regular casino. The quarter progressive is horrible, 6/5 bonus poker, 8/5 DDB etc. They have some $1,2 and 5 machines(7/5, 9/5, 9/6 etc.) High limit is $10-$100. Nothing worth playing unless you want high limit(the usual good pay schedules.) On a finer note the place is gorgeous(great vibe) and the pool area is ridiculous. It will be a good time during the summer.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "VpKing77" <vpking77@...> wrote:
That's interesting. I have $200 in CB that I left on my card and was going to pick up in January. Can they really get away with not disclosing this information to the customer. How can they hope to survive if they are next door to a casino that offers cashback and comps and not give the same. Remember this is a casino that has no customer base other than some names hosts have taken with them from former properties. Without a marketing strategy they are going to have some serious problems. The Palms offers cashback or comps and a generous mail program if they deem you a losing player. Hard Rock is similar. Harrahs mails out excellent offers along with free rooms. Does the Cosmopolitan think they are going to make it on nightclub and restauarant revenues alone.