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#1

A few years ago, at the Reserve (now FH), I was playing the bank of 50c
3-play 10/7 DB. The guy to my right hits a Royal, says, "I got one! Switch!" to
the guy on his right. They quickly switch seats, and go through the payment
process with the "wrong" guy getting paid. A few minutes later, three security
guards come over and tell both guys to go with them. A change girl had seen
them switching seats, and they were both trespassed for "suspicious activity."
I am not sure if, under the circumstances, the casino could have legally not
paid the Royal, or pressed charges. My personal feeling is that they got off
too easy!

Brian

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In a message dated 11/15/2007 7:43:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,
b.glazer@att.net writes:

4b. Re: Conundrum
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:13 pm ((PST))

Your question about when to "throw" a game when on the verge of
winning more than $1199.99 is interesting. Some players to avoid a W-
2G recruit a nearby player to collect the winnings and sign the tax
form.

I would suggest you do this with great caution - I know at least one
employee of the IRS who also plays video poker, and is meticulously honest about his
reporting (of course, it's his job if he's not, and gets caught) -- and I'm
sure there are others playing near you who are honest about their taxes and
will feel compelled to turn you in!

So, not only is it illegal, you could

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#2

Earlier this year, I had a jackpot for $1,199.23 at
Mandalay Bay rounded up to $1,200. Sure it got me a
tax form but I'll pick a penny up off the ground so
who am I to complain.

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--- bjaygold@aol.com wrote:

A few years ago, at the Reserve (now FH), I was
playing the bank of 50c
3-play 10/7 DB. The guy to my right hits a Royal,
says, "I got one! Switch!" to
the guy on his right. They quickly switch seats, and
go through the payment
process with the "wrong" guy getting paid. A few
minutes later, three security
guards come over and tell both guys to go with them.
A change girl had seen
them switching seats, and they were both trespassed
for "suspicious activity."
I am not sure if, under the circumstances, the
casino could have legally not
paid the Royal, or pressed charges. My personal
feeling is that they got off
too easy!

Brian

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In a message dated 11/15/2007 7:43:46 AM Pacific
Standard Time,
b.glazer@att.net writes:

> 4b. Re: Conundrum
> Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:13 pm ((PST))
>
> Your question about when to "throw" a game when on
the verge of
> winning more than $1199.99 is interesting. Some
players to avoid a W-
> 2G recruit a nearby player to collect the winnings
and sign the tax
> form.
>

I would suggest you do this with great caution - I
know at least one
employee of the IRS who also plays video poker, and
is meticulously honest about his
reporting (of course, it's his job if he's not, and
gets caught) -- and I'm
sure there are others playing near you who are
honest about their taxes and
will feel compelled to turn you in!

So, not only is it illegal, you could

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#3

bjaygold@... wrote:

They quickly switch seats, and go through the payment process
with the "wrong" guy getting paid.

A little over a year ago, I was playing with my mother at Borgata A.C.
She hits for $2000 (50-cent Royal). When they come to pay, I ask them
to make out the paperwork for me, since I track my gambling for taxes
and she doesn't. They made the paperwork out for me, and didn't seem to
care at all. They pretty much said that somebody had to provide a
social security number and all, but they didn't care which one of us
did it.

Stuart (RandomStu)
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/

#4

So how about this one? I was in Resorts AC and hit a 3 coin $5 royal
for $19,576.26. The screen prints the usual "call attendant";
Jackpot $19,580. Manager came and calls in to confirm. Radio voice
confirms $19,580.00. Manager brings paper work and it's rounded back
down to odd dollars and cents. I question this complaining that the
voice said rounded up and the machine states the larger jackpot.
The "boss" paying the jackpot had no power to pay me more.
Anyway, "We don't go by what the machine says we go by the meter."
She would call a higher manager if I wanted. "Go ahead.", I said. I
waited for about 20 minutes and they ignored me. So I called the
slot attendant over and asked for my dough. I took the $3.74 loss.

Actually, in your case, you hit 1199.23 minus your bet; probably 5
quarters. I believe there was a time, in Vegas, when some casinos
would deduct the initial bet from the W3-G.

Cheers

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-- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Wild Bill <wcimo@...> wrote:

Earlier this year, I had a jackpot for $1,199.23 at
Mandalay Bay rounded up to $1,200. Sure it got me a
tax form but I'll pick a penny up off the ground so
who am I to complain.

--- bjaygold@... wrote:

>
> A few years ago, at the Reserve (now FH), I was
> playing the bank of 50c
> 3-play 10/7 DB. The guy to my right hits a Royal,
> says, "I got one! Switch!" to
> the guy on his right. They quickly switch seats, and
> go through the payment
> process with the "wrong" guy getting paid. A few
> minutes later, three security
> guards come over and tell both guys to go with them.
> A change girl had seen
> them switching seats, and they were both trespassed
> for "suspicious activity."
> I am not sure if, under the circumstances, the
> casino could have legally not
> paid the Royal, or pressed charges. My personal
> feeling is that they got off
> too easy!
>
> Brian
>
> ======================================
>
> In a message dated 11/15/2007 7:43:46 AM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> b.glazer@... writes:
>
>
> > 4b. Re: Conundrum
> > Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:13 pm ((PST))
> >
> > Your question about when to "throw" a game when on
> the verge of
> > winning more than $1199.99 is interesting. Some
> players to avoid a W-
> > 2G recruit a nearby player to collect the winnings
> and sign the tax
> > form.
> >
>
> I would suggest you do this with great caution - I
> know at least one
> employee of the IRS who also plays video poker, and
> is meticulously honest about his
> reporting (of course, it's his job if he's not, and
> gets caught) -- and I'm
> sure there are others playing near you who are
> honest about their taxes and
> will feel compelled to turn you in!
>
> So, not only is it illegal, you could
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> new at http://www.aol.com
>
>
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> removed]
>
>

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#5

So how about this one? I was in Resorts AC and hit a 3 coin $5

royal

for $19,576.26. The screen prints the usual "call attendant";
Jackpot $19,580. Manager came and calls in to confirm. Radio voice
confirms $19,580.00. Manager brings paper work and it's rounded

back

down to odd dollars and cents. I question this complaining that

the

voice said rounded up and the machine states the larger jackpot.
The "boss" paying the jackpot had no power to pay me more.
Anyway, "We don't go by what the machine says we go by the meter."
She would call a higher manager if I wanted. "Go ahead.", I said.

I

waited for about 20 minutes and they ignored me. So I called the
slot attendant over and asked for my dough. I took the $3.74 loss.

Actually, in your case, you hit 1199.23 minus your bet; probably 5
quarters. I believe there was a time, in Vegas, when some casinos
would deduct the initial bet from the W3-G.

Cheers

This comes from faded memeory but hopefully I get the facts right.

T happened to be holed up at the Riverside in Laughlin maybe 6 or
seven years ago when they put in a new video poker progressive. It
was 50 cent 6/5 Doouble Bonus with a very strong royal meter. I
don't remember exactly how fast, but it was fast Which, with a game
as bad as 6/5 DB, they could afford to have a fast meter on the
game.

The meter kept going up and up and up until it reached $9,999.99 at
which point it stopped. Now, this was definitely a big overlay but--
- it was also a very dangerous play. Imagine getting yourself
$10,000 stuck and someone else hitting the royal. It wouldn't be
hard to do when you're fading such a big drop. So I half-heartedly
played the game for a few days. Just pot shotting it with a couple
hours here and a couple hours there.

Someonne else got the royal. But they didn't get $9,999,99. They
got over $14,000.00. The attendants payed by what the computer in
the back said, not by what the machine meter said.

While I thought the meter was capped it was still going up. If I
would have known, perhaps I wouldn have been a little more
enthusiastic about playing the game.

Later they capped the meter.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "whitejeeps" <whitejeeps@...> wrote:

#6

.....The meter kept going up and up and up until it reached
$9,999.99 at which point it stopped. Now, this was definitely a big
overlay but--- it was also a very dangerous play. Imagine getting
yourself $10,000 stuck and someone else hitting the royal. It
wouldn't be hard to do when you're fading such a big drop. >

......Someonne else got the royal. But they didn't get $9,999,99.
They got over $14,000.00. The attendants payed by what the computer
in the back said, not by what the machine meter said.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

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What an interesting happening! I believe that this is the first
time I've ever heard of a casino paying off a larger sum than was
indicated on the meter!

I have seen signage on progs. stating the capped max allowable
payoff on a royal. But I have never seen a meter that approached
the capped amount.

The highest quarter royal meter of which I am aware, was $5,400+ on
a JWKB bank, at the El Cortez. On these machines 4OAK paid 75 coins
but rest of the pay table was the usual full pay variety.

The story I was told was that a local player (young male) had been
pounding away at one of these machines continously for over 48
hours. He stopped only for a few very brief bathroom breaks, while a
buddy watched his machine and also brought him an occasional
sandwich for sustenance.

As the end of two full days neared, he was obviously so bleary eyed
that he could hardly see which cards to hold. He finally decided to
call it quits. After unsucessfully tryimg to convince his friend to
take over the machine, he unhappily relinquished it to the next
player on the long waiting list.

That fellow sat down and within 3 hands, popped the royal. The
first player became almost apoplectic, then almost fainted, and was
eventually led away by security and his buddy.

~Babe~

#7

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@...>
wrote:

.....The meter kept going up and up and up until it reached
$9,999.99 at which point it stopped. Now, this was definitely a

big

overlay but--- it was also a very dangerous play. Imagine getting
yourself $10,000 stuck and someone else hitting the royal. It
wouldn't be hard to do when you're fading such a big drop. >

......Someonne else got the royal. But they didn't get

$9,999,99.

They got over $14,000.00. The attendants payed by what the

computer

in the back said, not by what the machine meter said.

What an interesting happening! I believe that this is the first
time I've ever heard of a casino paying off a larger sum than was
indicated on the meter!

I have seen signage on progs. stating the capped max allowable
payoff on a royal. But I have never seen a meter that approached
the capped amount.

The highest quarter royal meter of which I am aware, was $5,400+

on

a JWKB bank, at the El Cortez. On these machines 4OAK paid 75

coins

but rest of the pay table was the usual full pay variety.

The story I was told was that a local player (young male) had been
pounding away at one of these machines continously for over 48
hours. He stopped only for a few very brief bathroom breaks, while

a

buddy watched his machine and also brought him an occasional
sandwich for sustenance.

As the end of two full days neared, he was obviously so bleary

eyed

that he could hardly see which cards to hold. He finally decided

to

call it quits. After unsucessfully tryimg to convince his friend

to

take over the machine, he unhappily relinquished it to the next
player on the long waiting list.

That fellow sat down and within 3 hands, popped the royal. The
first player became almost apoplectic, then almost fainted, and

was

eventually led away by security and his buddy.

~Babe~

That's a very funny story, Babe. In the case at the Riverside, it
was a 50 cent progressive ($2.50 bet). I think the royal meter was
way high like 3%, 4%. After the $14,000 royal they did put signs on
the machines stating maximum jackpot was $10,000. It was probably
an oversight on their part.

Harvey's at the Lake used to have a bank of Tens or Better, two pair
even money, very bad pay, like 90% base game, with a 5% royal
meter. It used to run to $8,000, $9,000.

They also had a Big Bertha dollar individual progressive with the
same game and meter. The big boys would tie it up when it got to a
number.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:

#8

That's funny. I too was in Laughlin long enough ago that Kenny
Rogers was a good show. In fact I had tickets for Kenny at Harrahs.
Anyway, I was in Colorado Belle and spied a progressive at a bar;
dollar JOB about $9500. As I played i watched the royal jackpot
numbers roll over to $10,001 on video screen. The meter was running
about $50 behind at $9950. I mentioned to bartender, it over10
thousand. He says it will stop at 10. If I was fast enough I could
have bet the bartender a $1000 it would go over and the bartender
would have taken the bet. It went over 10 thousand. When the meter
was about 10,500 the meter leapt back to 10,000. Every one was hot
and some asked for management. After some time the meter was
restored somewhere around 10,800 and they let it run.

By the way, I missed kenny and played till the prog hit. Shoulda
went to see old Kenny. I would have saved a few $$$.

You right about that 6/5 DB. Easy way to bankrupt a nice bankroll.

Cheers....Jeep
.
.

This comes from faded memeory but hopefully I get the facts right.

T happened to be holed up at the Riverside in Laughlin maybe 6 or
seven years ago when they put in a new video poker progressive.

It

was 50 cent 6/5 Doouble Bonus with a very strong royal meter. I
don't remember exactly how fast, but it was fast Which, with a

game

as bad as 6/5 DB, they could afford to have a fast meter on the
game.

The meter kept going up and up and up until it reached $9,999.99

at

which point it stopped. Now, this was definitely a big overlay

but--

- it was also a very dangerous play. Imagine getting yourself
$10,000 stuck and someone else hitting the royal. It wouldn't be
hard to do when you're fading such a big drop. So I half-

heartedly

played the game for a few days. Just pot shotting it with a

couple

···

hours here and a couple hours there.

Someonne else got the royal. But they didn't get $9,999,99. They
got over $14,000.00. The attendants payed by what the computer in
the back said, not by what the machine meter said.

While I thought the meter was capped it was still going up. If I
would have known, perhaps I wouldn have been a little more
enthusiastic about playing the game.

Later they capped the meter.