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Class II Video Poker

#1

Can someone tell me what happens when you play a Class II machine.

Was in Tampa and went to the Hard Rock. Decided to play a few hands
of video poker since I had never seen a Class II machine.

I noticed that there was a definite time lag between hitting deal
and having the draw appear. (What was happening.)

The auto-hold feature was turned on and all the holds seemed to be
in accordance with perfect play (which surprised me).

I did see the bingo game and the related pills. (If someone can
tell me a bit more about the bingo game that would be helpful too.)

So what determines if you win and what determines how much you win?

A friend played slots and I was able to see that everytime they got
a bingo then I knew that they were going to have a winning spin
before the reels stopped. But what determines how much they would
get?

#2

Greetings from OK, the state with more casinos than any other state in the
union!

All are indian casinos. And range in size from a garage, to a medium sized
casino.

The class II machines have a central RNG instead of on each machine. You're
not playing VP, you're playing Bingo. That wat the tribe can regulate their
rake.

The machines are slick graphics, but are waiting for the bingo to end so
they can pay on every machine in the casino.

The class II will show a paytable, 9/6, and it will pay 9 coin on a full
house, but the full house will be determined on your bingo performance, not
on your draw. If you win at bingo, your hand will fill in.

We've recently got Blackjack and legitimate 9/6, machine resident RNG for
video poker, but unless you enjoy playing bingo, I'd avoid, it's snake oil!

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On 9/6/06, kelso1600 <kelso1600@hotmail.com> wrote:

   Can someone tell me what happens when you play a Class II machine.

Was in Tampa and went to the Hard Rock. Decided to play a few hands
of video poker since I had never seen a Class II machine.

I noticed that there was a definite time lag between hitting deal
and having the draw appear. (What was happening.)

The auto-hold feature was turned on and all the holds seemed to be
in accordance with perfect play (which surprised me).

I did see the bingo game and the related pills. (If someone can
tell me a bit more about the bingo game that would be helpful too.)

So what determines if you win and what determines how much you win?

A friend played slots and I was able to see that everytime they got
a bingo then I knew that they were going to have a winning spin
before the reels stopped. But what determines how much they would
get?

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#3

Can someone tell me what happens when you play a Class II machine.

Was in Tampa and went to the Hard Rock. Decided to play a few hands
of video poker since I had never seen a Class II machine.

I noticed that there was a definite time lag between hitting deal
and having the draw appear. (What was happening.)

The only possibility was waiting for the Bingo game to finish but
they usually run so fast you don't see it.

The auto-hold feature was turned on and all the holds seemed to be
in accordance with perfect play (which surprised me).

What you hold is not relevant to the outcome. The Bingo game determines it.

I did see the bingo game and the related pills. (If someone can
tell me a bit more about the bingo game that would be helpful too.)

So what determines if you win and what determines how much you win?

When you play any Class II machine the game only displays the results
of a Bingo game. Everyone in the casino is playing Bingo. When you
pull the handle or press the button your card is entered into the
current Bingo game. If you win your winnings are displayed on the
reels or the vp hand. If on a VP machine you make a hold that
prevents the result from being displayed there will be a mechanism to
change the hand so you get paid.
A little guesswork here -- your win probably increases as you make a
better Bingo hand, i.e. a coverall in x number of balls might be a
Royal Flush while a single-line Bingo might give you your bet back.

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At 05:24 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote:

#4

The same situation exists in Washington apparently. Most machines
here do not display the bingo card on the monitor, but I've seen some
that do. Just a guess, but I believe players are not playing against
each other, as in true bingo. Instead, each player plays with one
card and the central computer sends random numbers to the machine
which fills out the card to determine if there is a win. As I say,
this is a guess. Also, on the games I've seen where the card is
displayed, the central computer sends only 20 numbers. This also
differs from normal bingo, where numbers are sent until a winner is
declared. Such games are NOT bingo games, they are Keno games which
are incorrectly named bingo games. If fact, at the Clearwater casino
there are machines identified as Bingo that are identical to the Keno
machines found in Las Vegas. It makes one wonder if the Gambling
Commission in WA knows the difference between Bingo and Keno!

Bill, I hope you can confirm whether the above is correct or not. I
have never consulted with anyone in WA about this.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:

When you play any Class II machine the game only displays the results
of a Bingo game. Everyone in the casino is playing Bingo. When you
pull the handle or press the button your card is entered into the
current Bingo game. If you win your winnings are displayed on the
reels or the vp hand. If on a VP machine you make a hold that
prevents the result from being displayed there will be a mechanism to
change the hand so you get paid.
A little guesswork here -- your win probably increases as you make a
better Bingo hand, i.e. a coverall in x number of balls might be a
Royal Flush while a single-line Bingo might give you your bet back.

#5

I've posted this before, but basically Washington State and New York
racinos are both lottery based. When you play a game you are actually
buying a scratch-off ticket which generates the result. (No, you
can't buy the same scratch-offs in the office). So the Washington
machines will correct your hold (IGT uses the Genie) if it can't
generate the winning hand but you are not playing against everyone
else, only yourself.

To make it completely clear, if you are the only patron in a Class II
casino none of the machines will operate unless you play 2 machines
at once. In Washington, you could play one machine alone forever.

To answer specific questions, in Class II jurisdictions while all
machine are Bingo based they could also use punch-boards which would
make them more like Washington's. Keno is not legal in Class II
Indian gaming establishments. Washington, however, is unique because
it is technically Class III but with enough restrictions I've heard
it jokingly called "Class II 1/2". I haven't researched slots or
video keno regs in Washington, only VP.

B

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At 01:41 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:
>

> When you play any Class II machine the game only displays the results
> of a Bingo game. Everyone in the casino is playing Bingo. When you
> pull the handle or press the button your card is entered into the
> current Bingo game. If you win your winnings are displayed on the
> reels or the vp hand. If on a VP machine you make a hold that
> prevents the result from being displayed there will be a mechanism to
> change the hand so you get paid.
> A little guesswork here -- your win probably increases as you make a
> better Bingo hand, i.e. a coverall in x number of balls might be a
> Royal Flush while a single-line Bingo might give you your bet back.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The same situation exists in Washington apparently. Most machines
here do not display the bingo card on the monitor, but I've seen some
that do. Just a guess, but I believe players are not playing against
each other, as in true bingo. Instead, each player plays with one
card and the central computer sends random numbers to the machine
which fills out the card to determine if there is a win. As I say,
this is a guess. Also, on the games I've seen where the card is
displayed, the central computer sends only 20 numbers. This also
differs from normal bingo, where numbers are sent until a winner is
declared. Such games are NOT bingo games, they are Keno games which
are incorrectly named bingo games. If fact, at the Clearwater casino
there are machines identified as Bingo that are identical to the Keno
machines found in Las Vegas. It makes one wonder if the Gambling
Commission in WA knows the difference between Bingo and Keno!

Bill, I hope you can confirm whether the above is correct or not. I
have never consulted with anyone in WA about this.

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#6

On 9/7/06, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@cox.net> wrote: To answer specific
questions, in Class II jurisdictions while all machine are Bingo based they
could also use punch-boards which would make them more like Washington's.
Keno is not legal in Class II Indian gaming establishments. Washington,
however, is unique because it is technically Class III but with enough
restrictions I've heard it jokingly called "Class II 1/2". I haven't
researched slots or video keno regs in Washington, only VP.

  All slot looking machines (vp, little green men, keno, bingo, etc) in
Native American casinos in the State of WA are VLT(Video Lottery Terminals),
except for one tribal casino, near Spokane, that does not follow the state
gaming compact that all other tribes follow. All wagers are for electronic
scratch tickets. Winning and losing tickets are predetermined and allocated
into game sets called TLS (Tribal Lottery Systems). When you place a wager a
electronic scratch ticket is selected for you. You win, push or lose on the
electronic scratch ticket that was randomly selected for you. If you win,
push or lose the VLT will present a hand, set of symbols, numbers(keno) or
anything else that mimics a win, push or lose for the style of machine/game
you are wagering on. Any bonus levels on the slot like game was also
determined when the initial wager (actually refered to as vouchers in WA)
was placed. It is all explained at WA St Gambling Commision web site: copy
& paste the following url into your browser address bar
www.wsgc.wa.gov/faq/tls_faq.asp

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#7

Thanks for clarifying. I suspected that was the case but I don't post
facts unless I'm sure.

Bill

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At 08:32 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote:

  All slot looking machines (vp, little green men, keno, bingo, etc) in
Native American casinos in the State of WA are VLT(Video Lottery Terminals),
except for one tribal casino, near Spokane, that does not follow the state
gaming compact that all other tribes follow. All wagers are for electronic
scratch tickets. Winning and losing tickets are predetermined and allocated
into game sets called TLS (Tribal Lottery Systems). When you place a wager a
electronic scratch ticket is selected for you. You win, push or lose on the
electronic scratch ticket that was randomly selected for you. If you win,
push or lose the VLT will present a hand, set of symbols, numbers(keno) or
anything else that mimics a win, push or lose for the style of machine/game
you are wagering on. Any bonus levels on the slot like game was also
determined when the initial wager (actually refered to as vouchers in WA)
was placed. It is all explained at WA St Gambling Commision web site: copy
& paste the following url into your browser address bar
www.wsgc.wa.gov/faq/tls_faq.asp

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