I am fairly new to this, so if the subject has been covered before,
please let me know where to find it.
My question is whether or not skill matters in a Class II VP machine.
Can I depend on the paytable or is the outcome based on a "bingo" game?
Thanks in advance.
foxencasino wrote:
My question is whether or not skill matters in a Class II VP
machine. Can I depend on the paytable or is the outcome based on a
"bingo" game?
In short, by definition, the play outcome of a Class II machine game
is based on a bingo simulation and cannot be skill based. A hand with
a predetermined win is included in the dealt cards.
Interestingly, this means that if you "defeat" that win through
selecting a hold contrary to the intended final hand there must be
some mechanism by which to still give you the intended payoff.
Reports are that IGT accomplishes this through a genie that appears
and revises your final cards.
From what I can tell, if the machine you play lacks such a contrivance
(try breaking a paying pair to see), then it's likely to be (no
guarantee) a standard skill-based machine, presuming you're playing in
a Class III casino.
- Harry
According to my research with vendors there are no Class II VP
machines that include a draw, although things change and this might
not always be so. However, Class II machines by definition are based
on Bingo or pull-tabs.
The term and distinction Class II only applies to Indian casinos.
What is in a particular casino is primarily controlled by the
jurisdiction involved. To run Class III machines a tribe must sign a
compact with the governor of the state. Even with a Class III compact
the tribe may elect to mix class II and III machines. The only way to
be certain is to ask the slot director.
Two strange situations exist. In Washington State, each Indian casino
is actually a self-contained lottery outlet. Machines are based on
scratch-off lottery tickets. The VP machines include a draw which is
only for show. The final result is determined at the time of the
deal. If you choose to discard cards that prevents the final hand
from appearing, IGT machines have a genie come up and change all the
cards. I am told that another manufacturer has a match number or card
or something that adjusts the pay. The New York State Lottery runs
the same machines at NY Racinos (not Indian casinos).
In Oklahoma Class III VP machines are allowed even though slots must
be Class II.
Hope this helps.
B
At 07:40 PM 2/5/2006, you wrote:
I am fairly new to this, so if the subject has been covered before,
please let me know where to find it.My question is whether or not skill matters in a Class II VP machine.
Can I depend on the paytable or is the outcome based on a "bingo" game?Thanks in advance.
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I'm from Washington, and know about "match play" machines. Evidently,
per Iggy's post, these machines are linked. I didn't realize that. I
always assumed they were standalone. This surprises me, because I
would think linked devices would be more expensive and vulnerable. If
the server fails, every device stops working!
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:
Two strange situations exist. In Washington State, each Indian casino
is actually a self-contained lottery outlet. Machines are based on
scratch-off lottery tickets. The VP machines include a draw which is
only for show. The final result is determined at the time of the
deal. If you choose to discard cards that prevents the final hand
from appearing, IGT machines have a genie come up and change all the
cards. I am told that another manufacturer has a match number or card
or something that adjusts the pay. The New York State Lottery runs
the same machines at NY Racinos (not Indian casinos).