If I am reading the text correctly, Casino Player says that you can
tell the payout of a video poker machine that is Class II by looking
at the pay schedule.
So, if I understand it, a 9/6 JOB machine will payback 99.5%.
Am I reading this correctly? It was a little surprising to me. It
says otherwise, the machines would have very high pay tables to lure
people to play them.
Casino Player was absolutely wrong about this. Paytables have no
relation to payouts on Class II or Wash / NY VLT's.
At 10:23 AM 2/6/2006, you wrote:
If I am reading the text correctly, Casino Player says that you can
tell the payout of a video poker machine that is Class II by looking
at the pay schedule.So, if I understand it, a 9/6 JOB machine will payback 99.5%.
Am I reading this correctly? It was a little surprising to me. It
says otherwise, the machines would have very high pay tables to lure
people to play them.vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
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They meant Class III, Nevada legal machines.
You can tell the return of a Class III video poker, blackjack, keno
machine by looking at the paytable.
http://www.igt.com/Content/base.asp?pid=8.17.36.243&bhcp=1
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Casino Player was absolutely wrong about this. Paytables have no
relation to payouts on Class II or Wash / NY VLT's.At 10:23 AM 2/6/2006, you wrote:
>If I am reading the text correctly, Casino Player says that you can
>tell the payout of a video poker machine that is Class II by looking
>at the pay schedule.
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>So, if I understand it, a 9/6 JOB machine will payback 99.5%.
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>Am I reading this correctly? It was a little surprising to me. It
>says otherwise, the machines would have very high pay tables to lure
>people to play them.
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>vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
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>Yahoo! Groups Links
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When I wrote this message, I should have given the cite.
February issue, Casino Player, page 74, there is half page article on
Class II Video Poker
It says:
In the February issue, take a look at p. 74.
"The odds are calculated to be similar to the odds of a standard video
poker game. You won't find the player's-advantage paytables in Class
II, but the return represented by the pay schedule you do see will be
similar to the return of that game in a traditional casino."
I appreciate the comments and information so far.
Gary
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "kelso1600" <kelso1600@...> wrote:
If I am reading the text correctly, Casino Player says that you can
tell the payout of a video poker machine that is Class II by looking
at the pay schedule.So, if I understand it, a 9/6 JOB machine will payback 99.5%.
Am I reading this correctly? It was a little surprising to me. It
says otherwise, the machines would have very high pay tables to lure
people to play them.
I don't think this is a typo. Maybe bad information in totality or
maybe it is correct - I don't know.
But take a look at page 74 of the February issue.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
They meant Class III, Nevada legal machines.
You can tell the return of a Class III video poker, blackjack, keno
machine by looking at the paytable.http://www.igt.com/Content/base.asp?pid=8.17.36.243&bhcp=1
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> Casino Player was absolutely wrong about this. Paytables have no
> relation to payouts on Class II or Wash / NY VLT's.
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> >If I am reading the text correctly, Casino Player says that you
can
> >tell the payout of a video poker machine that is Class II by
looking
> >at the pay schedule.
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> >So, if I understand it, a 9/6 JOB machine will payback 99.5%.
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> >Am I reading this correctly? It was a little surprising to
me. It
> >says otherwise, the machines would have very high pay tables to
lure
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> At 10:23 AM 2/6/2006, you wrote:
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> >Yahoo! Groups Links
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kelso1600 wrote:
If I am reading the text correctly, Casino Player says that you can
tell the payout of a video poker machine that is Class II by lookingIn the February issue, take a look at p. 74.
"The odds are calculated to be similar to the odds of a standard
video poker game. You won't find the player's-advantage paytables
in Class II, but the return represented by the pay schedule you do
see will be similar to the return of that game in a traditional
casino."
Ah ... yeah ... I remember this -- I nearly spilled my beverage when I
came across this little gem in Frank Legato's article this month,
"Class II: Is It Fair". I cam within a hair's breadth of jotting off
a rant about it. Guess you were designated to relight the fire.
My take on the article's vp comments: It's one of the most blatant
and obnoxious attempts to pander to the industry and Class II gaming
that I've ever seen by any author. I can't read that sidebar
(specifically discussing vp) in any other manner.
The reasonable thing, if not warn off serious vp players all together,
would be to state that players are basically looking at slot machine
odds -- odds that can't be determined by the player. Instead the
discussion leads off with the statement that just because Class II
tribal casino vp doesn't work in the manner of vp in a traditional
casino, "it doesn't mean that it's unfair, or that you can't win".
It goes on the describe the basic function of Class II play, but then
makes the dubious statement, "The odds are calculated to be similar to
the odds of a standard video poker game ... the return represented by
the pay schedule you do see will be similr to the return of that game
in a traditional casino." Right ... 99.5% and 90.1% are both similar
in that they have the same first digit (or is it the decimal point
that they have in commmon, allowing for a more likely 85%).
That said, the very next statement suggests what Legato is trying to
allude to here ... "The real difference", he does on to say regarding
traditional vp and Class II, "lies in the importance of perfect
strategy". In other words, doing a tremendous amount of reading
between the lines, if two hypothetical casinos (one traditional, one
tribal) wished to configure a vp machine with a expected hold of 4%,
the traditional one might install a 9/6 DDB paytable (perfect play ER
98.9%, actual ER ~95%) and the tribal one might install a Class II
machine with a 9/6 DDB paytable in which the internal odds yield an ER
of 96%.
That's pretty hard to stomach. I think it's most likely that a "6/5
Jacks" on the tribal floor (if they were odd enough to put such a
paytable in place) would have the same ER as "FPDW" should it appear.
But I could make some allowance were it not for the balance of the
text in the article.
Legato says, "A Class II video poker game is actually better for the
strategy novice, because the game will often correct your bonehead
moves." Well, I suppose I shouldn't argue against that. I've come up
against one or two players at an adjacent machine who I felt would
have faced better odds at the While of Fortune given their strategy.
But isn't the goal of a gaming publication to educate a bit rather
than wave the white flag and say, "for those of you who are stupid as
a stump, tribal vp is likely a blessing."
The final paragraph of this article speaks for itself. Draw your own
conclusions ...
--> It's better for the novice because it shows you the optimal
strategy by changing your choice to match the bingo win. Other than
that, the Hard Rock's Lombardo says the games work like the standard
version of video poker - again, because the Class II casino will not
risk "killing a manufacturer's title." "A lot of players may not know
the difference between Class II and Class III," he says. "That's why
we replicate the video poker paytables as closely as possible. It
would be a killer for us to do anything else."
My response is that apparently some gaming writers don't know ...
well, I'll skip that comment. For some reason Legato was inclined to
reassure tribal players that vp in these casinos was a square deal. I
thought payola went out with the 50's.
- H.
at the pay schedule. It says: