Casino Niagara PKM's-Says it's FP,Looks like FP,Is it really FP???

[mike.tigger]

Last sunday I went to play the Full Pay $1.00 Pick'ems at
Casino Niagara located on the third floor near the escalator.
I played three different machines from 11am to approx 11pm
(with breaks). I and the other players that played (and I was
able to check as they were basically the same players during
the time I was there) never scored a better hand beyond a full
house. Even in my worst sessions at Woodbine on the FP PKM's
I or someone else would get a four of a kind after that kind
of play. At my best run on one of the Niagara machines I ran
up the credit meter to $280.00 with a couple of full houses
and other smaller hands and did manage to make it last a
couple of hours.

Maybe it was my imagination,however I began to notice a
pattern emerge. Straights would happen in clumps of two or
three,then flushes would do so too. The most disconcerting
thing was that a three of a kind would be dealt three or four
times within a couple of hands of each other. No fourth ever
appeared to complete a quad. Then a long dry spell and then
again the several three of a kind with no completing card for
a quad. This happened six to seven times during my play at
each machine.The only seemingly truly random event was the
full houses when they appeared.

I left convinced that either the hold on these machines is
huge or they have been truly doctored where the top three
payouts are concerned, only because absolutely no one on the
bank of machines I played at got a better hand than the full
house at any betting denomination.

Also I found the casino truly smoky and scuzzy (weird
considering Ontario is so non- smoking) and would avoid
recoommending it to anyone.

[Albert_Pearson]

I will have to admit that I have had the same kind of luck on those machines since I started going there (1 trip in March and 1 in April).
I did, however hit 2 quads on the 50 centers last trip after giving up on the dollar machines.
I would find it hard to believe that the machines are rigged, especially since all the other machines in the casino have such bad
paytables that winning would take a miracle. I will try them a couple of more times before I abandon them, because I know how hard
it is to hit quads on pick-em at the best of times.

I just received my first mailer from there and it is pretty good, based on my first days play there (about 15k coin in) My mailer had 3 x $50 cash back and $20 food coupon.

Regards
A.P.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: mike.tigger
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:20 AM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Casino Niagara PKM's-Says it's FP,Looks like FP,Is it really FP???

  Last sunday I went to play the Full Pay $1.00 Pick'ems at
  Casino Niagara located on the third floor near the escalator.
  I played three different machines from 11am to approx 11pm
  (with breaks). I and the other players that played (and I was
  able to check as they were basically the same players during
  the time I was there) never scored a better hand beyond a full
  house. Even in my worst sessions at Woodbine on the FP PKM's
  I or someone else would get a four of a kind after that kind
  of play. At my best run on one of the Niagara machines I ran
  up the credit meter to $280.00 with a couple of full houses
  and other smaller hands and did manage to make it last a
  couple of hours.

  Maybe it was my imagination,however I began to notice a
  pattern emerge. Straights would happen in clumps of two or
  three,then flushes would do so too. The most disconcerting
  thing was that a three of a kind would be dealt three or four
  times within a couple of hands of each other. No fourth ever
  appeared to complete a quad. Then a long dry spell and then
  again the several three of a kind with no completing card for
  a quad. This happened six to seven times during my play at
  each machine.The only seemingly truly random event was the
  full houses when they appeared.

  I left convinced that either the hold on these machines is
  huge or they have been truly doctored where the top three
  payouts are concerned, only because absolutely no one on the
  bank of machines I played at got a better hand than the full
  house at any betting denomination.

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[mike.tigger]

I will have to admit that I have had the same kind of luck on those machines since I

started going there (1 trip in March and 1 in April).

I did, however hit 2 quads on the 50 centers last trip after giving up on the dollar

machines.

I would find it hard to believe that the machines are rigged, especially since all the other

machines in the casino have such bad

paytables that winning would take a miracle. I will try them a couple of more times

before I abandon them, because I know how hard

it is to hit quads on pick-em at the best of times.

Quads can be hard to hit at times, however there have been times that when playing $1.00
FP PKEM in LV or at Woodbine,that I have had several quads within a few hands of each
other or on those occasions when no quads appeared, there would also be the opportunity
to drive the credit meter up to the four or five hundreds with lots of other winning paying
hands.

In spite of some dry losing spells I've experienced at Woodbine, I've never felt that I didn't
have a fighting chance as much as I did in Niagara. Only once did I get up to 280 credits
through a series of straights and full houses only to crash to zero with only one or two
pairs along the way to break the fall. The best high credit count I could maintain on the
average for a little while was a top of 125 and then predictably it would drop unbroken to
zero. I would put in two or three twenties and run the meter up for a little while to 80-125
and then watch it, helpless, plummet back to earth again.

In playing sessions of three to four hours of play at Woodbine at the FP bank which is
seemingly always full of players, at least one or two people around me regularly hit a quad
or the very odd SF eventually. I hit a royal last year and have seen others do it too. I think I
could count on seeing Brittany Spears turn 80 before I hit Royal at Casino Niagara!

In the nearly twelve hours of play I put in at Niagara NO ONE hit anything beyond the odd
full house at ANY of the PKEM's. Over the three machines I played,there was an eerie
sameness of pattern to the program that I found just a little too suspicious not to feel that
I was being scammed.

I'm too cynical not to believe that the machines are not rigged, seeing that they are in
Niagara Falls, the most transient of tourist sites in the world, with little or no competition
around except for the Fallsview Casino that has absolutely NOTHING playable.

Regards too,

Tigger

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