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Casino Niagara cancels monthly bounceback coupons.

For several years Niagara's monthly newsletter contained 3 bounceback coupons, typically cashable one every ten days. If you failed to take the coupon with you it wasn't a problem. Any cashier in the casino would swipe your card, have you enter your magic number, and give you the cash.
   
  That is, up until February 2007. Effective with the March issue they no longer offer these.
   
  I visited the casino the second week of March and was told by a boothling at the players club that:
  (1) There's a new management team (interestingly, most of whom came from Casino Rama - anybody know what happened up there?).
  (2) The monthly coupons would be replaced by a bounceback system whereby they would mail you a coupon within a "few days" of each visit IF you had sufficient play. These coupons would have an expiry date, and MUST be presented to get your cash - ie -no more swiping your card - no coupon, no money. This sounds exactly like the system in place at Rama.
   
  Anyhow, I played for 4-5 hours that Saturday, and put around 375 points on my card (about $7,500 coinin).
   
  Assuming it would work like Rama's system, I expected a coupon in the mail. None arrived.
   
  On April 10 I phoned the VIP line (gold card member) and spoke with a host, then with a supervisor. I'll spare you the details of 4 different conversations and summarise as follows:
   
  - the initial contact at the VIP line said that my $7,500 coinin was definitely enough to qualify for a bounceback coupon. But she could not check out the details - I should speak with a host.
   
  - all the personnel I spoke with (including supervisors) claim they have no way of checking the system to see if a cheque was issued to me. Either this is a load of bullcrap, or somebody designed a very bad system.
   
  - initially I was told by two different people that (for security reasons for MY protection), I had to come down and present myself in person simply to have them check out my problem.
   
  When I insisted that a 3-hour round trip on spec was out of the question, they conceded that "your host, if you have one, can check it out".
   
  Unfortunately, all the hosts seem to live at the new Fallsview casino. When I told them I play only at the old casino Niagara they were nonplussed, and put me through to a supervisor who presumably had authority to check my play.
   
  Supervisor A (they offer first names only) said he'd check out my problem and call me back in an hour. He didn't call.
   
  The next day I callled again, and got supervisor B (A had the day off).
   
  B checked the computer which had my play history, but still claimed he had no access to information on whether or not a cheque was sent to me.
   
  - my March 10 visit showed "4 and a half hours play at an average wager of $4 (I played both 50-cent and $1 Pickem). This was NOT enough to generate a bounceback cheque.
   
  CONCLUSIONS
  - The Rama team may have moved to Niagara, and brought their system with them, but it
  sure don't work as well as it did at Rama.
  - while $3,500 action in a day was enough to generate a bounceback cheque (of around 0.4%) at Rama, twice that play level seems to be insufficient at Niagara.
  - Niagara has effectively eliminated the bonus bounceback (at least at my play levels), and restricted low-medium rollers to cashback only.
   
  Comments?

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(1) There's a new management team (interestingly, most of whom
came from Casino Rama - anybody know what happened up there?).

We were told that a team of Rama management people had been sent to
Fallsview to get Fallsview "back on the rails".

Apparently, it has been losing money.

Neil

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--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, BLavoie <blavoie46@...> wrote:

How can this be? Since all the casinos in Canada are smoke free the
non-smokers are going to pack the places to the rafters. /sarcasm
off.
I sit next to many Canadians at Seneca who no longer frenquent their
own places because of the ban
.
Being a non-smoker I don't care for the smell of all the added Canuck
puffers but these poor souls have to go somewhere.

As for the health risks I have a bigger chance of dying in a car
crash getting to and from the casino than succumbing to second hand
smoke once inside
.

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--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "neilemb" <nembree@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, BLavoie <blavoie46@> wrote:

     (1) There's a new management team (interestingly, most of whom
came from Casino Rama - anybody know what happened up there?).

We were told that a team of Rama management people had been sent to
Fallsview to get Fallsview "back on the rails".

Apparently, it has been losing money.

Neil

The only GOOD thing I can say about Canadian Casinos is that they are smoke free and are
well rid of those "poor souls" who infect everyone else with their noxious fumes. If they
want to go to Seneca to smoke themselves into a coma, then good riddance. As for the
loss of business don't think for a minute it has anything to do with the smoking ban.
There are too many smart players who have figured out that the Canadian casinos are
clipjoints with bad games, rotten comp policies and worse paytables and stay clear of
them.

That's why Canadian flights to Atlantic City, Vegas and Reno are more packed than ever
(there are 6 non-stop flights a day to Vegas from Toronto alone) and interestingly "no
smoking" policies are proliferating in Nevada and New Jersey too. I don't smoke and don't
play here in Canada anymore and don't plan to until I see something playable.

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--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "tghysel" <tghysel@...> wrote:

How can this be? Since all the casinos in Canada are smoke free the
non-smokers are going to pack the places to the rafters. /sarcasm
off.
I sit next to many Canadians at Seneca who no longer frenquent their
own places because of the ban
.
Being a non-smoker I don't care for the smell of all the added Canuck
puffers but these poor souls have to go somewhere.

As for the health risks I have a bigger chance of dying in a car
crash getting to and from the casino than succumbing to second hand
smoke once inside
.

--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "neilemb" <nembree@> wrote:
>
> --- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, BLavoie <blavoie46@> wrote:
>
> (1) There's a new management team (interestingly, most of whom
> came from Casino Rama - anybody know what happened up there?).
>
> We were told that a team of Rama management people had been sent to
> Fallsview to get Fallsview "back on the rails".
>
> Apparently, it has been losing money.
>
> Neil
>

I don't smoke and don't

play here in Canada anymore and don't plan to until I see something

playable.

I wonder what it takes to make a game playable for you.

I don't feel that a local game with a slight (0.2%) player advantage
(plus comps in the neighbourhood of 0.3%) is all that grotesque for a
recreational player, particularly if you factor in the cost of getting
to and from the venues with slightly better pay tables.

Neil

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--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "mofromto2" <mofromto@...> wrote:

I guess variety is the key word for me. The number of playable games here is so niggly and
spare and so not worth the effort to shlepp out on a long commute to play them, that I'd
rather save myself for a 3 days or more jaunt in a US casino city (Vegas,Reno..etc) where I
get RFB at most places and more bang for the buck at the games I play.

MO

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--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "neilemb" <nembree@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "mofromto2" <mofromto@> wrote:
I don't smoke and don't
> play here in Canada anymore and don't plan to until I see something
playable.

I wonder what it takes to make a game playable for you.

I don't feel that a local game with a slight (0.2%) player advantage
(plus comps in the neighbourhood of 0.3%) is all that grotesque for a
recreational player, particularly if you factor in the cost of getting
to and from the venues with slightly better pay tables.

Neil