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[casino_comps] ADT Question

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6b. Re: [casino_comps] ADT Question
Posted by: "kelso 1600" kelso1600@hotmail.com kelso1600
Date: Mon Feb 5, 2007 3:02 pm ((PST))

Most likely yes. There are reports that Ballys LV and Paris are treated as one
property.

Best to concentrate play at one property that you like in Las Vegas. For Total
Rewards, where you concentrate your play will determine your "dominant" property
which will determine your upper level offers that you will get if you are
eligible for any.

This is new to me -- I've always been told that play at all Total Rewards properties "counts", and so I never thought that it might "count" differently if split up the way you describe.

The only Total Rewards property I play at regularly is Caesars Indiana. I have comp room for 4 days at Harrah's Las Vegas in March. It's my understanding that both Caesars Vegas and Harrah's Vegas have playable (barely) Jacks or Better.

Will it matter if I split my play between the two casinos on a given day? Will it matter if I split my play, but keep it all at one casino each day? Or since I'm not in Vegas that often, will it matter at all?

Also, asssuming the same total action, would it be better or worse to split the play up over all four days, or to play a whole lot on only one or two days (I'll also be playing some poker tournaments, so I won't run out of things to do if I don't play VP every day).

When I've asked hosts about how Total Rewards works, I get very different answers every time, which makes me think that even the hosts don't understand the system (if there is one).

Thanks very much!!

--BG

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#2

b.glazer wrote:

This is new to me -- I've always been told that play at all Total
Rewards properties "counts", and so I never thought that it might
"count" differently if split up the way you describe.

Will it matter if I split my play between the two casinos on a given
day? Will it matter if I split my play, but keep it all at one
casino each day?

Also, asssuming the same total action, would it be better or worse to
split the play up over all four days, or to play a whole lot on only
one or two days (I'll also be playing some poker tournaments, so I
won't run out of things to do if I don't play VP every day).

When I've asked hosts about how Total Rewards works, I get very
different answers every time, which makes me think that even the
hosts don't understand the system (if there is one).

Let me lay out my grasp of the basics, hopefully in a straightforward
manner.

Harrah's has both an overall play rating (said to be broken up into
regions -- AC, LV, etc.), as well as property ratings.

The overall rating might be used for offers not related to the
specific casinos at which you play. E.g. offers extended for LV or
Reno in general, possibly junkets, etc. It's accurate to say that all
play is evaluated for these types of offers.

However, the offers that you receive from individual casinos (e.g.
coin bonus) at which you play are based upon your specific play
averages at those casinos -- daily rated play.

For this reason, if you want to generate the strongest offers per
property, you want to restrict your play to a single property each day.

From what's been said, you're rated for a given day in a casino only
when you play there. The fact that you're merely a guest in the hotel
isn't enough to rate you that day for that casino (although it likely
may affect your general rating).

Thus, if you stay at Paris for 4 nights, you can freely play at any of
the LV casinos as you desire -- although it's best to stick to one
single casino on any given day.

- Harry

#3

...and one can safely opine that the Prop 18/19/20 numbers are referring to "overall" ratings,
not specific casino ratings.

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

Harrah's has both an overall play rating (said to be broken up into
regions -- AC, LV, etc.), as well as property ratings.

The overall rating might be used for offers not related to the
specific casinos at which you play. E.g. offers extended for LV or
Reno in general, possibly junkets, etc. It's accurate to say that all
play is evaluated for these types of offers.

However, the offers that you receive from individual casinos (e.g.
coin bonus) at which you play are based upon your specific play
averages at those casinos -- daily rated play.

- Harry

#4

bornloser1537 wrote:

...and one can safely opine that the Prop 18/19/20 numbers are
referring to "overall" ratings, not specific casino ratings.

Just so that it's clear, are you suggesting that overall daily play is
the driving force to your offers (not daily play at a given casino)?
Or simply saying that these values are total play based, without
indicating anything beyond that?

- H.

#5

I think what he is saying is that the information you can get from the
Harrah's web site is aggregated for play at all casinos. The prop
values are not broken down by individual casinos in terms of the
online reporting.

If you have history at a casino, that history will be the determining
factor for offers/comps. On the other hand, for casinos where you
have never played, the online prop numbers seem to be a driving force
in determining what hotels will offer you to visit.

At least that's how I read things and interpret the data from my own
account.

Ken

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

bornloser1537 wrote:
> ...and one can safely opine that the Prop 18/19/20 numbers are
> referring to "overall" ratings, not specific casino ratings.

Just so that it's clear, are you suggesting that overall daily play is
the driving force to your offers (not daily play at a given casino)?
Or simply saying that these values are total play based, without
indicating anything beyond that?

- H.

#6

Hi! To answer...

I usually do all of my Harrah's "reservations" on-line. Annecdotally, it appears to me that
the "prop" values affect whether one get a comped reservatrion or not, when one goes
through the on-line reservation process.

As an example, I recently wanted to get a 2 night stay (Friday-Sunday) at a non-LV
Harrah's casino. When I entered my wife's and my own Total Rewards account number, the
charge came back as several hundred dollars, and I declined it. Immediately following up
with an attempt to now make the exact same reservation with my son's and my TR account
number, the offer came backed totally comp'ed. My son's "prop" values are something like
50% higher than my wife's.

<smile> Needless to say, I made the trip with my son, rather than my wife (to the delight
of both of them).

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

Just so that it's clear, are you suggesting that overall daily play is
the driving force to your offers (not daily play at a given casino)?
Or simply saying that these values are total play based, without
indicating anything beyond that?

- H.