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Cashing in Bounceback Cash without play

#1

I am an occasional player (1 to 2 times per month, maybe $1000 coin in
per visit). Many times I'll pick the location with the best
games/promotions for the month, and maybe pick another the next month.
If I receive BBC from the first, but plan on playing at the second,
is it OK to stop in and cash in the BBC at the first. I know Jean
Scott says she sees no reason the play the same day she cashes in her
BBC, but what about the same month?

I am wondering about the moral issues (is BBC earned from the previous
month's play, or is simply to promote loyalty for this months play?)
and also practical issues (will it be harder to earn comps at the
first location if I go back and play there again 3 months down the line?).

Thanks for any input.

- John

#2

There is no single answer to this question, it varies from property
to property. Some Marketing folks believe that by coming in to pick
up your bounce-back or free play without additional play you are
cheating them. This is true even if you play eight hours the next
day. When I tried to show one of these people the fallacy in this
reasoning I was told, with contempt, "And you call yourself a casino
marketing person....."

Fortunately, many casinos will not punish you for this behavior. It
all depends.

As to your last question the amount is based upon prior play and
should be considered a rebate of a portion of your previous
theoretical loss. But sometimes it isn't (see my first paragraph).

Essentially there are no hard and fast rules and the situation can
even change over short periods of time at the same property.

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At 12:35 PM 6/5/2006, you wrote:

I am an occasional player (1 to 2 times per month, maybe $1000 coin in
per visit). Many times I'll pick the location with the best
games/promotions for the month, and maybe pick another the next month.
If I receive BBC from the first, but plan on playing at the second,
is it OK to stop in and cash in the BBC at the first. I know Jean
Scott says she sees no reason the play the same day she cashes in her
BBC, but what about the same month?

I am wondering about the moral issues (is BBC earned from the previous
month's play, or is simply to promote loyalty for this months play?)
and also practical issues (will it be harder to earn comps at the
first location if I go back and play there again 3 months down the line?).

Thanks for any input.

- John

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#3

I am an occasional player (1 to 2 times per month, maybe $1000 coin in
per visit). Many times I'll pick the location with the best
games/promotions for the month, and maybe pick another the next month.
If I receive BBC from the first, but plan on playing at the second,
is it OK to stop in and cash in the BBC at the first. I know Jean
Scott says she sees no reason the play the same day she cashes in her
BBC, but what about the same month?

I am wondering about the moral issues (is BBC earned from the previous
month's play, or is simply to promote loyalty for this months play?)

I think it's generally both - to encourage future play by rewarding
past play. Although a case could be made for uncertainty by the
players encouraging them to play more than they need to in order to
get what benefits they want, I'm surprised they don't make their
systems more easily known. On the mailer, they should say that
they're sending us x bounce back because we played y coin in on z
dates, so that we'll know what we did to get rewarded. Morally, I
think it's more complicated. If collecting bounce back and not
playing is immoral, how could an advantage player be more moral by
playing and costing the casino even more?

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and also practical issues (will it be harder to earn comps at the
first location if I go back and play there again 3 months down the line?).

Thanks for any input.

- John

#4

I believe that bounceback is coercion on the part of the casinos to
get you gamble back what you have already earned.

Cashback doesn't required additional play and neither should
bounceback. Just because a casino is trying to manipulate you into an
additional visit, doesn't mean that you are morally obligated to be
manipulated.

#5

When I tried to show one of these people the fallacy in this
reasoning I was told, with contempt, "And you call yourself a casino
marketing person....."

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you a "a casino
marketing person....."? Or you asked them if they were?

Scot

#6

So I am to take it that Bounce back cash is like a check or coupon
that says "here is $N come by and get it. Please feel free to
gamble it and some more if you like."

I call this "free money" be cause in essence that is what it is.

I also know that Money that must be cycled through a machine to gain
access is likely to be worth (in a long term financial sense) more
but its access is limited by the need to cycle it through a machine
first I call this "free play"

personally I like free money better becuase it is not immediatly
subjected to the winds of variance. although for the +EV gambler
free play is worth a tiny bit more.

Here, in essence the house is saying "heres N free plays at our
games." +EV gambler expects to grind up a tiny bit of profit in the
long term process of gaining that principal number through play.

am I wrong in any of these assumptions?

timmer

There is no single answer to this question, it varies from

property

to property. Some Marketing folks believe that by coming in to

pick

up your bounce-back or free play without additional play you are
cheating them. This is true even if you play eight hours the next
day. When I tried to show one of these people the fallacy in this
reasoning I was told, with contempt, "And you call yourself a

casino

marketing person....."

Fortunately, many casinos will not punish you for this behavior.

It

all depends.

As to your last question the amount is based upon prior play and
should be considered a rebate of a portion of your previous
theoretical loss. But sometimes it isn't (see my first paragraph).

Essentially there are no hard and fast rules and the situation can
even change over short periods of time at the same property.

>I am an occasional player (1 to 2 times per month, maybe $1000

coin in

>per visit). Many times I'll pick the location with the best
>games/promotions for the month, and maybe pick another the next

month.

> If I receive BBC from the first, but plan on playing at the

second,

>is it OK to stop in and cash in the BBC at the first. I know Jean
>Scott says she sees no reason the play the same day she cashes in

her

>BBC, but what about the same month?
>
>I am wondering about the moral issues (is BBC earned from the

previous

>month's play, or is simply to promote loyalty for this months

play?)

>and also practical issues (will it be harder to earn comps at the
>first location if I go back and play there again 3 months down

the line?).

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#7

I am an occasional player (1 to 2 times per month, maybe $1000 coin in
per visit). Many times I'll pick the location with the best
games/promotions for the month, and maybe pick another the next month.
If I receive BBC from the first, but plan on playing at the second,
is it OK to stop in and cash in the BBC at the first. I know Jean
Scott says she sees no reason the play the same day she cashes in her
BBC, but what about the same month?

To change the theme a little, what would you do if you were an
occasional player in the same situation. Knowing nothing about the
casino or their policies because you were new, would you cash in
without playing, would you make a token attempt to play, or would you
play somewhat heavily, knowing there was a better promotion down the
street?

- John

#8

It depends.

If you never plan on playing there again, no reason to
give them any play. If you're going to keep them as a
core casino, give them some play.

vpFae

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On 7 Jun 2006 at 13:29, murphyfields wrote:

To change the theme a little, what would you do if you were an
occasional player in the same situation. Knowing nothing about the
casino or their policies because you were new, would you cash in
without playing, would you make a token attempt to play, or would you
play somewhat heavily, knowing there was a better promotion down the
street?