12a. Carson Nugget Video Poker Barring
Date: Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:39 pm ((PDT))I was trespassed at the Carson Nugget in June -- came as a shock
to me; I went to redeem my cashback late on a Saturday night and
"86" came up on the players club screen -- they gave me my cb,
then escorted me out and told me never to come back.My play was heavy on the pick em but also played in the ns area,
including on non-full pay machines. Can't think of anything i did
"wrong" other than that I was a fairly consistent winner. Only
played there once or twice a month....also always tipped for the
handpays, even on pick em, not huge tips -- but would a casino
trespass somebody for not tipping?I may have come into suspicion after claiming about 200 entries
into a drawing for a "car/cruise" contest. That night I also had
three hand pays (one on pick em, which is always hand pay now)
and two $1000 handpays, one from NSUD and one from 9/5 STP DDB,
which is FAR from full pay. Of course I gave a lot of that money
back but did come out ahead about $1000 for the night.I was 86ed the night before the contest, but maybe it wasn't the
entries, who knows, as they would not tell me why I was
trespassed. Don't know why else I would have been trespassed when
there are bigger winners who apparently are ok there.ps I'm not a "professional" (whatever that is anymore), not
retired and have a good job, so this really is no big deal for me
-- but I'm running out of good places to play!
I used to be a non-professional blackjack player who counted cards, and encountered barrings at five or six casinos over the ten or fifteen years I did it. Usually, the casino does not care if you're winning or losing (in fact, I'm sure they'd rather bar you while you're losing), all they care about is identifying someone who might take away their "edge" by skillful play, and not allowing such players to have a chance to use their skill.
I was only going to Vegas 3 to 5 times a year, so I certainly was not a major threat to the industry or to any specific casino - but they don't want ANYONE to win by any method other than pure luck (and, as per those who have been denied jackpots due to "machine malfunction", perhaps not even then!!).
The only downside for the casino is bad PR (most of my friends are amazed that casinos are allowed to bar people for doing nothing more than using their brains when playing, as opposed to other "skills" that constitute "real" cheating such as switching cards, increasing or decreasing chip stacks after knowing the outcome of hands, etc. etc.).
Consider that "The Book" carries photos of card counters and actual cheats with little or no distinction - as far as the casino is concerned, if they're legally allowed to keep you out and they want to do so, they will.
Counters and cheats are literally "in the same book" to them!
The recently reported case where the card counter received about 3/4 million in a suit for false arrest / etc., shows that casinos have difficulty understanding the difference between what they can and can not legally do to a patron.
Based on my blackjack experience, I'm surprised that VP advantage players are not more frequently barred!
--BG
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