Cards unhold themselves upon redealing. Does it happen?

[Albert_Pearson1]

You are indeed at the mercy of the person reviewing the situation, but the machine history does show the original dealt hand as well as the cards that were held and the resultant hand. In my experience which is long, I have had this happen to me twice where the result was costly enough for me to do something about it. Both times I was reimbursed for the difference with no problem, although the process does take some time and a couple of approvals.

Regards

A.P.

Received: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 12:40 AM

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, Albert Pearson <ehpee@...> wrote:

A faulty button can unhold a card, it has happened to me. If the error causes me to have a large loss I will summon an attendant. They will check the machine and look at the cards that were dealt. If for example I was dealt 4 of a kind but only held 3 and I say that the button messed up, the supervisor will usually pay me the difference.

Regards

A. P.

If I read you correctly, you really are at the mercy of the person reviewing the situation, as nearest I can ascertain, you/me have no proof that there was actually four of a kind there in your case, or the straight flush in my instance.

If so, I would guess the decision is going to be affected by your coin in and possibly your losses to that time???

I raised the question of cards unholding a while back, and got several confirmations of it happening to various posters here. At least several of us know it is possible, even though still not sure how it can happen.

So summarizing: It can happen. Not sure how it happens. It is not possible to prove the existance of the mis-held hand. And making the player whole is subjectively determined.

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--- On Tue, 6/30/09, deuceswild1000 <deuceswild1000@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: deuceswild1000 <deuceswild1000@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Cards unhold themselves upon redealing. Does it happen?
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com

[deuceswild1000]

So the orginal desirable card is still going to show in the dealt hand, but it will just be shown as not held. Is that correct. I was led to believe that the desirable cared would be gone from the dealt hand record, if it unheld itself.

I know I have asked this several times and in different ways, but just trying to clarify a brief posting, that would be much better if it could be verbally communicated.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Albert Pearson <ehpee@...> wrote:

You are indeed at the mercy of the person reviewing the situation, but the machine history does show the original dealt hand as well as the cards that were held and the resultant hand. In my experience which is long, I have had this happen to me twice where the result was costly enough for me to do something about it. Both times I was reimbursed for the difference with no problem, although the process does take some time and a couple of approvals.

Regards

A.P.

[Cielaszyk1]

deuceswild1000 asked again...

So the orginal desirable card is still going to show in the dealt hand, but it will just be shown as not held. Is that correct. I was led to believe that the desirable cared would be gone from the dealt hand record, if it unheld itself.

I know I have asked this several times and in different ways, but just trying to clarify a brief posting, that would be much better if it could be verbally communicated.

That is what I am trying to ascertain. Say I am dealt the 4h, 5h, 6h, 7h, and 8h. Then the redeal key is pressed and the 6h is unheld and a Kd pops in there after the redeal. Will the recall screen then show the 6h or the Kd? I was hoping the 6h, but was led to believe that the Kd would show as part of the orginal deal. And wold it show as held in the orginal deal screen and would it show the 6h or the Kd as the hold? It sure is hard to describe this, but know what I saw, and I wish I would have stopped and had them call up the screen.

I have two IGT machines at home. An older 25c multigame machine with 5
games and a newer MGMD GameKing touchscreen that I can set to
denominations of 1c to $25 and have about 60 different games to chose
from each with varying paytables.

So I just checked using the attendant keys:

Both machines display two rows of 5 cards. The original dealt hand with
the word HELD above the cards held and the second hand with the cards
redealt. Therefore at least on these two IGT machines, the original
dealt hand remains showing so there is no question of what was dealt,
held, and redealt.

Using your example:
HELD HELD HELD HELD
4h 5h 6h 7h 8h
4h 5h Kd 7h 8h

I hope this is the final answer...

Dennis
vp-connoisseur

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[staninnv1]

So the orginal desirable card is still going to show in the dealt hand, but it will just be shown as not held. Is that correct.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deuceswild1000" <deuceswild1000@...> wrote:

When the tech goes to the history screen, there will be several lines of five cards displayed. These lines of cards are the "history" of what has been displayed on the screen in order of their appearance. My experience has been that they will NOT show which cards you held. As an example, if you were dealt:

KKKT6 and ended up with K7KK5 the history screen would show.

KKKT6
K7KK5

The tech would look at the history screen and assume correctly that you would have held KKK and that on the next line you received the last K and therefore would have gotten the quad. MOST casinos would then pay you for the quad.

[Tom_Robertson]

I'm skeptical of that, now that it's common knowledge (I assume) that
the cards that are drawn depend on exactly when the "draw" button was
pushed. If I were a casino supervisor, I might reimburse the player
for the card that was discarded, but not for those which were drawn.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deuceswild1000" <deuceswild1000@...> wrote:

So the orginal desirable card is still going to show in the dealt hand, but it will just be shown as not held. Is that correct.

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When the tech goes to the history screen, there will be several lines of five cards displayed. These lines of cards are the "history" of what has been displayed on the screen in order of their appearance. My experience has been that they will NOT show which cards you held. As an example, if you were dealt:

KKKT6 and ended up with K7KK5 the history screen would show.

KKKT6
K7KK5

The tech would look at the history screen and assume correctly that you would have held KKK and that on the next line you received the last K and therefore would have gotten the quad. MOST casinos would then pay you for the quad.