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Cal-Neva super sign-up bonus

#1

While standing in the line for a rental car, I was reading one of the
local newspapers and there was an ad for the Cal-Neva that said
something like "sign up for a slot card and play for 1 hour, and
we'll match your loses up to $200 in free-play. Well, this is
certainly too good to pass up. We went there during our first trip to
Reno last year, but only my wife signed up, not me.

So, while standing in the slot club line, I'm reading the same ad on
the wall behind the slot club, and the wording is different than I
origionly thought. It said "cover your loses in up to $200 in free-
play or MATCH your winnings up to $200". I asked the slot lady if I
was reading the sign correctly, and she said Yes!

So, I take my new card and sit down at a machine and play full-pay
(3/2) blackjack for $4 a hand. After about 35 minutes of playing, I
was about $20 ahead. Not good enough. I up my bet to $6 and play on.
I start to get on a pretty good roll, and with 8 minutes left, I'm up
$212. At this point, I want to preserve my profits, so I back down to
50 cents a hand and play for another half hour or so, and stop at
$220 profit.

I walk back up to the slot club, hand the lady my card, she checks it
online, and tells me she has put $200 in free play on my card. Sweet!

I go back to the blackjack machine, and have my wife play at $1 a
hand while I count down 200 hands (I realized afterward I could have
just used my point total on my card to count $200 coin-in), and she
finishes and prints out a ticket for $210.

So, I walk out of there with a nice $422 profit!

The promotion is for new signups only, so, if any of you don't have a
card there, it is definitly worth doing.

Mike from Little Rock.

#2

Mmmm... Unfortunately, I'm willing to bet over 95% of this newsgroup already has a card there,
since it use to be a terrific place !
Anyway, does anybody know if you haven't played there for 3 years, and are no longer getting offers
another slot card application may just fool them as a new signup, for example TV flush, instead of Tom Flush, with my moms address instead of the old one ? Or , Maybe sign up the wife, she use to always play under my card? I realize a search on SS #, would always ID you!
Any advice to fake them out would be appreciated...Tom

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Aclin" <aclinml@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:46 AM
Subject: [vpFREE_Reno] Cal-Neva super sign-up bonus

While standing in the line for a rental car, I was reading one of the
local newspapers and there was an ad for the Cal-Neva that said
something like "sign up for a slot card and play for 1 hour, and
we'll match your loses up to $200 in free-play. Well, this is
certainly too good to pass up. We went there during our first trip to
Reno last year, but only my wife signed up, not me.

So, while standing in the slot club line, I'm reading the same ad on
the wall behind the slot club, and the wording is different than I
origionly thought. It said "cover your loses in up to $200 in free-
play or MATCH your winnings up to $200". I asked the slot lady if I
was reading the sign correctly, and she said Yes!

So, I take my new card and sit down at a machine and play full-pay
(3/2) blackjack for $4 a hand. After about 35 minutes of playing, I
was about $20 ahead. Not good enough. I up my bet to $6 and play on.
I start to get on a pretty good roll, and with 8 minutes left, I'm up
$212. At this point, I want to preserve my profits, so I back down to
50 cents a hand and play for another half hour or so, and stop at
$220 profit.

I walk back up to the slot club, hand the lady my card, she checks it
online, and tells me she has put $200 in free play on my card. Sweet!

I go back to the blackjack machine, and have my wife play at $1 a
hand while I count down 200 hands (I realized afterward I could have
just used my point total on my card to count $200 coin-in), and she
finishes and prints out a ticket for $210.

So, I walk out of there with a nice $422 profit!

The promotion is for new signups only, so, if any of you don't have a
card there, it is definitly worth doing.

Mike from Little Rock.

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#3

From: "tomflush" <tomflush@nyc.rr.com>

Mmmm... Unfortunately, I'm willing to bet over 95% of this newsgroup already
has a card there,
since it use to be a terrific place !
Anyway, does anybody know if you haven't played there for 3 years, and are
no longer getting offers
another slot card application may just fool them as a new signup, for
example TV flush, instead of Tom Flush, with my moms address instead of the
old one ? Or , Maybe sign up the wife, she use to always play under my
card? I realize a search on SS #, would always ID you!
Any advice to fake them out would be appreciated...Tom

I think it's kind of dangerous to ask in a public forum how to scam a particular individual or business.

Some casino databases reach pretty far back into the past, and while you may be able to successfully argue that you should get a new member benefit if you haven't been there in a decade, they will probably be suspicious of you having a similar name and exactly the same birthdate as a record in their database, and I don't think it's a good idea to attempt to convince them that you are someone different now.

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#4

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Aclin" <aclinml@...>
wrote:

So, while standing in the slot club line, I'm reading the same ad

on the wall behind the slot club, and the wording is different than
I origionly thought. It said "cover your loses in up to $200 in free-
play or MATCH your winnings up to $200". I asked the slot lady if I
was reading the sign correctly, and she said Yes!

So, I take my new card and sit down at a machine and play full-pay

(3/2) blackjack for $4 a hand ... and stop at $220 profit.

I walk back up to the slot club, hand the lady my card, she checks

it online [stet], and tells me she has put $200 in free play on my
card. Sweet!

I go back to the blackjack machine, and have my wife play at $1 a

hand while I count down 200 hands (I realized afterward I could
have just used my point total on my card to count $200 coin-in), and
she finishes and prints out a ticket for $210.

So, I walk out of there with a nice $422 profit!

That would make a great commercial for Cal-Neva because it will
attract all the Mike-wanna-be's. I am glad Mike made his profit,
but Mike needs to know that is not sustainable as it was a one-time
deal.

Here's the stuff Mike didn't tell people:
- The video BJ game has negative expectations -- based on my best
information about this game from IGT, IGT claims the game returns
99.7% (I'm not stating that's the correct E.V., just what I was able
to dig up from IGT literature since I'm an detail-oriented guy). In
order to get that return, you had to play the game properly like
stand 7,5 OR 8,4 versus dealer's 3 (note you would hit T,2 OR 9,3 vs
dealer's 3) BUT hit T,2 versus dealer's 4. There are a lot of weird
hands for this game that most people don't know about. Check out
this site for more info:
http://www.bjmath.com/bjmath/basic/cbs1dh.htm
- Mike didn't realize Cal-Neva had 10/7 DB (100.17%) in nickels,
dimes, etc [however, I will concede that 10/7 DB has far higher
variance than video BJ] so he could have played the promo on a
positive e.v. game.
- Mike employed a low risk strategy to get the money. Some other
people could have just as easily employed a high risk strategy since
it was a free $200 from the casino. Research Steve Jacobs on his
strategy alternatives to EV-based plays and decide which is the
correct risk-based strategy to use. As for me, I would have just
bet it all if I could on one hand and also bet it all again on the
free play because I have to consider my opportunity cost -- there's
no way I'm stitting there betting $0.50 a hand because that's not me.

Cal-Neva knows it's a money losing situation aka a loss-leader to
get people to try the new casino. It's not the highest loss-leader
for new players I've seen, but it is a good promo, especially for
Reno.

#5

>From: "tomflush" <tomflush@...>
>
>Mmmm... Unfortunately, I'm willing to bet over 95% of this newsgroup
>already
>has a card there,
>since it use to be a terrific place !

Fortunately, I am fairly new to Reno and will be there this weekend,
thanks for posting this, I may have missed it.

>Anyway, does anybody know if you haven't played there for 3 years,

and are

>no longer getting offers
>another slot card application may just fool them as a new signup

Recently, I went to Sams Town in Tunica and thought I had never signed
up before and wanted the New player sign up promo. They said I had a
card in 1998, but they did give me the new player bonus of 3x pts for
30 days.

Maybe sign up the wife, she use to always play under my

>card?

That should be fine, and it isnt a scam. Go for it.
I purposely dont usually sign my wife up for a card at a new place, so
that in the future if there is a juicy new player signup, she can do
it then.

Happy Royals
Jim

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "Part Timer" <PartTimeVP@...> wrote:

#6

Here's the stuff Mike didn't tell people:
- The video BJ game has negative expectations -- based on my best
information about this game from IGT, IGT claims the game returns
99.7% (I'm not stating that's the correct E.V., just what I was

able

to dig up from IGT literature since I'm an detail-oriented guy).

NO...... What Mike didn't say wasn't important. What Mike was just
saying it is a GOOD promotion. It wasn't a promotion for just people
playing 10/7 DB only. This is a good promotion for people who play
Double Diamond slots! What game you want to use with it is completely
up to the individual. Video Keno would still make money with this
promotion!

  In

order to get that return, you had to play the game properly like
stand 7,5 OR 8,4 versus dealer's 3 (note you would hit T,2 OR 9,3

vs

dealer's 3) BUT hit T,2 versus dealer's 4. There are a lot of

weird

hands for this game that most people don't know about. Check out
this site for more info:
http://www.bjmath.com/bjmath/basic/cbs1dh.htm

I am aware of those plays, as I use a complete composition strategy
on this game. Actually, there are several other changes to basic
strategy depending on how many cards are in your hand. 16 vs 7 or 16
vs 9 is a stand if your hand has 5 or more cards in it. Still, my
strategy sheet is smaller than one for Double Bonus.

- Mike didn't realize Cal-Neva had 10/7 DB (100.17%) in nickels,
dimes, etc [however, I will concede that 10/7 DB has far higher
variance than video BJ]

Mike does realize Cal-Neva has positive games. MY goal, was to play
something that gave me the best chance to get some good money out of
the promotion. (I,m a low roller, as little as $200 is good money to
me!)

so he could have played the promo on a
positive e.v. game.

Hmmmm..... Double Bonus does pay back over %100, over about 3 million
hands. with a pretty high variance. With the right rules and proper
strategy the blackjack game also is positive. I would be glad to
discuss this with anyone privately.

- Mike employed a low risk strategy to get the money. Some other
people could have just as easily employed a high risk strategy since
it was a free $200 from the casino. Research Steve Jacobs on his
strategy alternatives to EV-based plays and decide which is the
correct risk-based strategy to use. As for me, I would have just
bet it all if I could on one hand and also bet it all again on the
free play because I have to consider my opportunity cost -- there's
no way I'm stitting there betting $0.50 a hand because that's not
me.

I'm on vacation. It was a nice cooldown period for me. I get nervous
betting $6 a hand. I played $0.50 a hand to preserve my first $200
profit, while my wife was still playing video poker.

Cal-Neva knows it's a money losing situation aka a loss-leader to
get people to try the new casino. It's not the highest loss-leader
for new players I've seen, but it is a good promo, especially for
Reno.

That is all Mike was trying to say. I know most of you locals have
cards there. I'm a out-of-towner who just had his second ever trip to
Reno. I just hoped some other out-of-towners would be able to take
advantage of this offer.

That's all Mike has to say.
Thanks.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "fordscks" <jason_c_vp@...> wrote:

#7

99.7% is about right for the Cal-Neva video blackjack. Their video BJ
is unique in that I have never seen this particular game anywhere but
the Cal-Neva. The difference between theirs and the full pay version
is that there is no double after a split and when splitting aces and
catching paint you don't get the automatic win and get paid for a
blackjack.

The full pay version was at Cal Neva for years (with no cashback) but
when they put in the slot club they got tagged. They gave away double
points, .25%, the first month of the slot club. They had multi-game,
multi-denom IGT's with the highest denom being $10. Max bet on BJ was
ten coins. They got their butts kicked.

So they changed out the full pay version on all the machines for the
one that is there now. At the time this happened I figured the jig was
up on full pay IGT blackjack. You see, the double after the split and
catching paint on split aces are glitches that we figured IGT didn't
know about because those rules are not posted on the rules screen along
with the other rules. So it just stood to reason that IGT finally
caught on.

But, like I said, I've never seen the Cal Neva version anywhere but the
Cal-Neva. Anyways, anytime I find an IGT BJ game with 3/2 on blackjack
I always verify that I'm getting the double after split and split aces
catching paint.

If I just wanted to suck the money out of this promotion I would
definitely play the video BJ as the variance is far lower than anything
else in the place.

I know every move to this game, including the 6-card charlie strategy.
I play composition instead of hand totals mainly because I don't have
anything better to do. But here is a dirty little secret: Playing
composition instead of hand totals gains you only 1 bet every 2800
decisions, a palty .0357%.

Oh yes, don't forget tho thank yours truly for torching the video BJ
atthe Silver Club last fall.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "fordscks" <jason_c_vp@...> wrote:

That would make a great commercial for Cal-Neva because it will
attract all the Mike-wanna-be's. I am glad Mike made his profit,
but Mike needs to know that is not sustainable as it was a one-time
deal.

Here's the stuff Mike didn't tell people:
- The video BJ game has negative expectations -- based on my best
information about this game from IGT, IGT claims the game returns
99.7% (I'm not stating that's the correct E.V., just what I was able
to dig up from IGT literature since I'm a detail-oriented guy).

#8

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Aclin" <aclinml@...>

NO...... What Mike didn't say wasn't important. What Mike was just

saying it is a GOOD promotion. It wasn't a promotion for just people
playing 10/7 DB only. This is a good promotion for people who play
Double Diamond slots! What game you want to use with it is
completely up to the individual. Video Keno would still make money
with this promotion!

That's the point that Mike misses. My point was the expectation of
the promo was about $200 and for Mike to make over $400, it meant he
experienced extreme positive flux. Also, Mike, if you really think
about it you could lose money as a player on this promotion (hint,
play more than $200 in coin-in). And, I already preferenced my
comments with respect to the variance and the cycle time for 10/7
isn't 3 million hands since we are talking about expectation.

With the right rules and proper strategy the blackjack game also

is positive. I would be glad to discuss this with anyone privately.

Sorry. The game, off the top, is not positive without cash back or
other values. Even with composition dependent strategy (less than
0.05% gain per Griffin in TOBJ), nominal LS gain, and the correct 6-
card auto winner plays, the game is not over 100%. I ran the
stated "rules" on Stanford Wong's BJ EDGE and confirmed IGT's 99.70%
number; after making other necessary adjustments for the unstated
rules, the game is still under 100%. The stated rules are H17, BJ
pays 5 for 2, shuffle after ever round, LS, D10, 6 card auto-winner,
and dealer draws to 6 cards. The unstated rules are split aces
catches paint pays 5 for 2 and DAS on 10 and 11.

Mike, on a serious note -- all kidding aside, if you really believe
the game is positive **off the top**, then you've made a mistake in
your analysis.

#9

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...>
wrote:

99.7% is about right for the Cal-Neva video blackjack. Their

video BJ is unique in that I have never seen this particular game
anywhere but the Cal-Neva. The difference between theirs and the
full pay version is that there is no double after a split and when
splitting aces and catching paint you don't get the automatic win
and get paid for a blackjack.

Even on a regular player BJ, it's not an automatic winner. Take the
case of the dealer having an ace as an upcard, after you decline to
buy insurance, the dealer plays out its hand when he doesn't have a
BJ, thus verifying it's not an automatic winner.

But, like I said, I've never seen the Cal Neva version anywhere

but the Cal-Neva. Anyways, anytime I find an IGT BJ game with 3/2
on blackjack I always verify that I'm getting the double after
split and split aces catching paint.

The game is in many other casinos throughout Reno; you just have to
open your eyes. A lot of pro's have made money off this game
through cash back or other benefits since the game is a money
loser. I wouldn't recommend playing the video bj full time at Cal-
Neva since the cash back is only 0.125% -- especially when you have
$1 10/7 DB on the same machine.

#10

Even on a regular player BJ, it's not an automatic winner. Take

the

case of the dealer having an ace as an upcard, after you decline to
buy insurance, the dealer plays out its hand when he doesn't have a
BJ, thus verifying it's not an automatic winner.

When the dealer has an ace up and you have 2 aces and hit the split
button and the dealer has a blackjack he automatically wins so you
don't get to split the aces because you lost. But if the split is
allowed the dealer has a hole card other than a ten and can't have a
blackjack. If you catch paint you are automatically paid for a
blackjack but on some machines the dealer hits his hand anyway but
has no effect on the outcome even if he makes 21.

There is another anomaly that I ran into at the Silver Club. The
Silver Club had four very old machines with the full pay blackjack.
They were there for years. Every year, usually late summer, they
would put on major cashback (1.2%) for about a month. At other times
they offered triple points (.6%) maybe a few days a week. Those are
the times I played there. Anyways, when you made a 5 card soft 21 on
these machines they would not let you hit. 6 cards is an automatic
win so hitting this hand guarantees that you don't get pushed, Every
other place I play this game you can hit a 5 card soft 21.

The original two versions of IGT blackjack were: 1. Even money on
Blackjack (unplayable.) 2. 3/2 on Blackjack. On the 3/2 version you
always got the double after the split and split aces catching paint.
But the Cal Neva version is 3/2 with no double after split and aces
catching paint. So this makes it a third version. Compare the "see
pays" screen at Atlantis and Peppermill to the "see pays" screen at
the Cal Neva and you will see that they are different.

The game is in many other casinos throughout Reno; you just have to
open your eyes. A lot of pro's have made money off this game
through cash back or other benefits since the game is a money
loser. I wouldn't recommend playing the video bj full time at Cal-
Neva since the cash back is only 0.125% -- especially when you have
$1 10/7 DB on the same machine.

Last fall the Silver Club put on major cashback and I played the game
8-10 hours a day for a month and a half until they cried uncle and
took the game off. I had the play to myself for a month with others
just playing occasionally. Then an old friend just happened to be
driving by and seen the sign outside advertising major cashback and
came inside for a look. His added pressure probably got the game
removed.

IGT video blackjack has been one of my standard gambling plays for 7
years. I first played it at the Rampart in Las Vegas with .5%
cashback in 2000 and have played it in many places since. I make
good money at this game when I find the right conditions. But the
key is the cashback. Opportunities are pretty rare these days.

My first experience with video blackjack was the old Williams multi
game machines. That was ten yers ago. Their version offered early
surreneder and dealer stands on soft 17. The game came in at
100.4%. I played it at Gold River in Laughlin (now River Palms) with
1% cashback on Thursdays and .66% cashback on Fridays. The rest of
the week was .33% cashback. RFB came with the cashback.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "fordscks" <jason_c_vp@...> wrote:

#11

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...>
wrote:

My point that got lost is when you have a player BJ, and the dealer
has an ace, and if the dealer doesn't have a BJ, the dealer plays
out his hand which is wrong since player BJ is an automatic winner.

The second anamoly that you didn't point out is dealer draws to 6
card so his "15" will beat a player 13 even though a dealer has to
draw to 17.

The original two versions of IGT blackjack were: 1. Even money on

Blackjack (unplayable.) 2. 3/2 on Blackjack. On the 3/2 version
you always got the double after the split and split aces catching
paint. But the Cal Neva version is 3/2 with no double after split
and aces catching paint. So this makes it a third version.
Compare the "see pays" screen at Atlantis and Peppermill to
the "see pays" screen at the Cal Neva and you will see that they are
different.

The game is DAS 10-11 which means you split 9,9 vs A and you would
split 4 vs 4,5,6., 3,3, vs 8, etc. At Cal-Neva, if you split 8,8
and catch a two or three, the Double Down button becomes lit, which
shows DAS 10-11 since it's D10 from the getco.

My first experience with video blackjack was the old Williams

multi game machines. That was ten yers ago. Their version offered
early surreneder and dealer stands on soft 17. The game came in at
100.4%. I played it at Gold River in Laughlin (now River Palms)
with 1% cashback on Thursdays and .66% cashback on Fridays. The
rest of the week was .33% cashback. RFB came with the cashback.

A lot of people got their start with that Williams game. The best
video BJ game I've played recently is S17, D9, nDAS, LS, split any
pair once, dealer draws to 6 cards and 6 card auto-winner. The cash
back was 0.50% and I was playing $100 a hand. This game was not in
Reno.

As for Reno, I typically play up to $500 a hand on video BJ machines
when I can find them.

This is my last post on this topic. Good luck.

#12

My point that got lost is when you have a player BJ, and the dealer
has an ace, and if the dealer doesn't have a BJ, the dealer plays
out his hand which is wrong since player BJ is an automatic winner.

Many machines have a glitch where even though you have a BJ the
dealer hits out his hand but it has no effect on the outcome. Even
if they make a 21 you still get paid for a BJ. Some do it when you
split aces and catch paint but it still has no effect on the
outcome.

The second anamoly that you didn't point out is dealer draws to 6
card so his "15" will beat a player 13 even though a dealer has to
draw to 17.

This rule is to the players advantage although I have no way of
putting the correct number on it. My best guess is about .02%.When
you have a 17 or higher and the dealer runs out of cards holding
something like a 16 or 15 he has no shot to beat you. I have won
many a hand holding a 16 or 15 because the dealer ran out of cards.
I once held a 14 and the dealer made a 6 card 14 to push me.
Sometimes it works against you when you have somehting like a 15 and
the dealer makes a 6 card 16, but most of the time the rule is to
your benefit.

The game is DAS 10-11 which means you split 9,9 vs A and you would
split 4 vs 4,5,6., 3,3, vs 8, etc. At Cal-Neva, if you split 8,8
and catch a two or three, the Double Down button becomes lit, which
shows DAS 10-11 since it's D10 from the getco.

But while the "see pays" screen says you may double on 10 or 11 on
your first two cards there is nothing that says you can double after
the split.

If you like getting technical about the game here's one for you: 3
and 4 card 16's against dealer paint. If the 16 contains a 6 with a
6,7,8, or 9 hit, stand on all other 16's.

Lastly, why would you play at the Cal neva? It's a short pay game.
At least it was the last time I checked.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "fordscks" <jason_c_vp@...> wrote:

#13

As for Reno, I typically play up to $500 a hand on video BJ

machines

when I can find them.

My experience with IGT video Bj is they come in either 10 or 20 coin
max bet. The highest denom I ever found was at Cal Neva about 5 years
ago which was $10 with ten coin max bet. Until recently the Atlantis
had $5 ten coin max bet. I have seen $1 twenty coin max bet. But
for you to play $500 a hand would mean $25 twenty coin max bet. I've
never seen the full pay game on a $25 machine.

Anyways, at $500 a hand when you make a Bj that would mean a W2G.
That would occur every 20.7 hands except the dealer will push you
every 27 times you make a BJ.

When you split a pair and win both bets it's a W2G
When you double down and win it is a W2G
When you split aces and win both sides or catch paint on one side it
is a W2G.

Now I crank out 1100 betting decisions an hour at the lowly rate I
bet at this game. But I don't have to stop for W2G's. It must be
very frustrating for you to have to stop every 6 hands or so and wait
on a W2G. You know, signing it and all that, then having them keying
off the machine.

So, could you enlighten us as to the logistical problems of playing
so high. Do they assign you an employee to write the W2G's, etc?

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "fordscks" <jason_c_vp@...> wrote:

#14

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...>

Anyways, at $500 a hand when you make a Bj that would mean a W2G.
That would occur every 20.7 hands except the dealer will push you
every 27 times you make a BJ.

When you split a pair and win both bets it's a W2G
When you double down and win it is a W2G
When you split aces and win both sides or catch paint on one side it
is a W2G.

If you had a complete grasp of the game, then you would realize why
this post is completely idoitic. I gave you (and everyone on this
board) a HUGE tip about this game and it went way over your head. I
am now done REALLY with this thread as I am wasting my time.

Good luck.

#15

Dear Mr. FordSCKS (since I know how important it is to you, please
notice how carefully I spelled your name). Or, Mr. T.Roll, if you
prefer the usuage of your real handle. In response to the HUGE tip
that you tried to generously share with this stupid board, which
apparently went right over all of our idiotic heads, I have a huge
tip for you, as well; Troll some other forum.

Until you swam up, this was a friendly, helpful group of POLITE
posters. We shared amusing, interesting anecdotal happenings as well
as factually accurate VP info related to Reno casinos.

Since you arrived on the scene, we have been informed of the
following:

(1) Part Timer (who has IMO, posted nothing but valuable and accurate
information on this forum, "is sending senseless posts" and doesn't
know what he's talking about".

(2) We should avoid emulating Skip Hughes who was "bent out of shape
about a $1.80/hr. VP opportunity".

(3) Mike Aclin failed to "tell people the 'whole story' regarding
the promotion about which he posted".

(4) King Fish is the "Village Idiot".

(5) Jelway 1997, in addition to spelling fordSCKS name wrong, "uses
flawed logic".

(6) Mickey Crimm (BTW, my favorite Runyonesque yarn spinner) posted
an "idiotic message" and "doesn't understand video BJ".

I expect that this post will cause Mr. T.Roll to surface again,
despite his promises to cease trying to "help us". I assure you that
I will not respond to anything he writes, no matter how many times he
calls me an idiot!

The only way to get rid of pesty trolls is NOT to feed them with the
food they most crave.......ATTENTION.

~Babe~

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "fordscks" <jason_c_vp@...> wrote:

If you had a complete grasp of the game, then you would realize why
this post is completely idoitic. I gave you (and everyone on this
board) a HUGE tip about this game and it went way over your head. am
now done REALLY with this thread as I am wasting my time.

#16

Bravo Babe, well said.

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe"
<jackessiebabe@...> wrote:

Dear Mr. FordSCKS (since I know how important it is to you, please
notice how carefully I spelled your name). Or, Mr. T.Roll, if you
prefer the usuage of your real handle. In response to the HUGE tip
that you tried to generously share with this stupid board, which
apparently went right over all of our idiotic heads, I have a huge
tip for you, as well; Troll some other forum.

I expect that this post will cause Mr. T.Roll to surface again,
despite his promises to cease trying to "help us". I assure you

that

I will not respond to anything he writes, no matter how many times

he

calls me an idiot!

The only way to get rid of pesty trolls is NOT to feed them with

the

···

food they most crave.......ATTENTION.

~Babe~

#17

In my defense, it's a pretty smart village. We don't have much tolerance
for dilettantes.

I can only pray the casinos continue to show the same level of insight
fordscks displayed in evaluating my knowledge and experience level. I would
bet Part Timer feels the same.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

···

On 3/22/07, jackessiebabe <jackessiebabe@yahoo.com> wrote:

(4) King Fish is the "Village Idiot".

#18

Hi King Fish,

I hope that it's absolutely clear to you and everyone else on the
board, that I did NOT call you "The Village Idiot". I was quoting
the dis-information promolgated by T.Roll, to show how misguided he
is.

I think that you're a pretty smart fella, who is part of a very
bright village!

~Babe~

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "King Fish" <vpkingfish@...> wrote:

In my defense, it's a pretty smart village. We don't have much
tolerance for dilettantes.

I can only pray the casinos continue to show the same level of
insight fordscks displayed in evaluating my knowledge and experience
level. I would bet Part Timer feels the same.

#19

"fordscks" <jason_c_vp@...> wrote:

As for Reno, I typically play up to $500 a hand on video BJ

machines

when I can find them.

For the record, I must defend Inventer-Of-Certain-Video-Poker-Games,
etc-etc-etc-fordSCKS' statement above.

His _KEY_ words were "up to" and "when". Personally, I also play "up
to" a trillion dollars a hand (actually, I am a lowly 25c player). I
will also marry pink elephants with purple mohoks "when" I can find
them.

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "diversified_slave"
<diversified_slave@...> wrote:

Bravo Babe, well said.

--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe"
<jackessiebabe@> wrote:
>
> Dear Mr. FordSCKS (since I know how important it is to you,

please

> notice how carefully I spelled your name). Or, Mr. T.Roll, if

you

> prefer the usuage of your real handle. In response to the HUGE

tip

> that you tried to generously share with this stupid board, which
> apparently went right over all of our idiotic heads, I have a

huge

> tip for you, as well; Troll some other forum.
>
> I expect that this post will cause Mr. T.Roll to surface again,
> despite his promises to cease trying to "help us". I assure you
that
> I will not respond to anything he writes, no matter how many

times

···

he
> calls me an idiot!
>
> The only way to get rid of pesty trolls is NOT to feed them with
the
> food they most crave.......ATTENTION.
>
> ~Babe~

#20

I know every move to this game, including the 6-card charlie strategy.

That's the only piece of the strategy I don't have. Would you mind
posting it?