--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, "don_wingate" <don_wingate@...>
wrote:
"I was there recently. They have changed to freeplay ala peppermill.
Previously I assumed you had to stay to collect, but my girlfriend
got her PIN (no room) and the freeplay was there. So it looks like
the freeplay is auto on your account, correct me if Im wrong."
I never had to stay to get the welfare checks in the past.
According to my mailer, the free play is on my account each week and
it's a use it or lose situation. The question that remains to be
answered is by taking out the welfare checks without any action,
would it hurt my standing.
"Also, what kind of action are talking for $2500/month at P?"
The more important question is how does anyone get similar monthly
welfare checks from big corporations in Reno. The only reason I am
spending so much time reverse engineering these marketing programs
is because I heard someone was getting over $1,000 a week, on
average, in welfare checks. This does NOT include loss rebates,
which is a separate bonus whoring technique reserved for the very
best AP's (I'm not there yet plus I don't have anywhere near the
bankroll). I didn't believe the rumors until I heard the name of
the guy who was collecting over $50K a year because he figured out
the various marketing programs (I met the guy a couple of times
before when we both were starting out so I know the rumors were
true). Then I heard he shared with several of his closest
confidentes and speculation is that the group is getting almost half-
a-million a year in free play.
At P, I generally don't play VP because you need to put through at
least $10,000 an hour in coin-in. Even at the $1 10-coin 9/6 JOB
with $9,400 reset, at 600 hph, that is only $6,000 an hour of
action. The only way you can put through that much action in vp is
through $1 N-Play machines, but the absence of dealt hands will kill
you in N-Play, or higher denomination single-line machines. The
game I am playing returns at least 99.90% with very low variance
(expected loss of about $10 per $10,000 in action).
Let's not kid ourself, what I am doing, i.e. triggering and
maintaining welfare checks, can be high-risk because I could hit a
long-losing streak and never break-even. The general rule is you
lose on the game, which is good because the marketing head or host
loves that shit that your theo is through the roof, and you make it
up on the welfare checks. At $10,000 in action an hour, over an 8
to 10 hour playing session, you come across like a very desirable
customer (the host is thinking, we got a live one!). The inside-
joke is when you stop playing, then that casino gives you even more
welfare checks to get you back because they are scared another
casino snagged you (or you mislead them into thinking that was the
case as you bring a huge welfare check from their competitor such
that they have to top that one as in we can do better so it now
becoming a bidding war for my action). Welfare-check hustling is an
art form, something that every skilled VP or BJ player should add to
his arsenal for Reno/Sparks.
Now, for the loss-rebating, I was told (and this has not been
confirmed) that the casino is looking to see at least half-a-million
in action a day; I remember asking about what happens if you put in
a quarter-million action a day, to which the reply was (and I'll
never forget this): "Well, if you have to ask, then you can't afford
it."
In summary, be grateful for the $50 a week from Cal Neva and $100 a
week from Siena. These free play will add up to a nice sum over the
course of a year. And the long-winded answer to how much action it
takes to get $2,500 from P -- it starts off with several trips of
sizeable action ($100K to $150K in action a day to get the boll
rolling), but after that, it becomes a game of pitting one casino
against the other. My favorite line (and please don't quote me) is
XYZ casino in Reno is giving me $XXX, what can I expect from your
casino?
Good luck.