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Caesers downgrades

"Albert Pearson" Wrote:

My local casinos in Ontario are getting better and better in comparison, and
I may
eventually only use Las Vegas for a vacation instead of a gambling
destination.

This is one reason that casinos are just plain foolish to remove all good video poker plays.

Linda Boyd
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"Albert Pearson" Wrote:

My local casinos in Ontario are getting better and better in comparison,

and

I may
eventually only use Las Vegas for a vacation instead of a gambling
destination.

This is one reason that casinos are just plain foolish to remove all good
video poker plays.

Linda Boyd

What? For Albert? Albert is one on my good buddies and I like to see him
when he comes to LV but why should the casinos care about a few players like
Albert? Sorry for the bad news, but it's not him, or the likes of him, they
are "courting." I don't like it. I can't even find many of the plays I
really like anymore. But we're going to need more than a handful of us to
make any difference to the casinos. Any suggestions?

Scot

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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
Linda Boyd
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 11:22 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Caesers downgrades

"Scot Krause" <krauseinvegas@...> wrote:

we're going to need more than a handful of us to make any
difference to the casinos. Any suggestions?

No number of skilled players complaining to Harrahs or abandoning
Harrahs will make any difference. Harrahs has made the decision,
likely correct, that it's in their interest to only court players who
are unskilled enough to gamble at a large disadvantage.

Therefore, the only thing that will motivate Harrahs is if UNskilled
players abandon them. When Harrahs lowers the return on VP, it hurts
everyone regardless of skill, but only the skilled players notice. If
the unskilled players noticed, then Harrahs would take notice.

So, what might do good is any type of action that would make
unskilled players aware that they'll be lower payback on VP when they
gamble at Caesars now, compared to last year. Imagine, if there were
a large ad in the LV Sun, or a prominent gaming publication read by
many unskilled gamblers, and it announced that Caesars had
drastically lowered the payback on VP. Harrahs would surely notice
that.

I'm not gonna pay for that ad... but hey, maybe Wynn would bankroll
it!

Stuart (RandomStu)
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/fungames.htm

No number of skilled players complaining to Harrahs or abandoning
Harrahs will make any difference. Harrahs has made the decision,
likely correct, that it's in their interest to only court players

who

are unskilled enough to gamble at a large disadvantage.

Therefore, the only thing that will motivate Harrahs is if

UNskilled

players abandon them. When Harrahs lowers the return on VP, it

hurts

everyone regardless of skill, but only the skilled players notice.

If

the unskilled players noticed, then Harrahs would take notice.

So, what might do good is any type of action that would make
unskilled players aware that they'll be lower payback on VP when

they

gamble at Caesars now, compared to last year. Imagine, if there

were

a large ad in the LV Sun, or a prominent gaming publication read by
many unskilled gamblers, and it announced that Caesars had
drastically lowered the payback on VP. Harrahs would surely notice
that.

I'm not gonna pay for that ad... but hey, maybe Wynn would bankroll
it!

Stuart (RandomStu)
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/fungames.htm

Very well stated Stu. A group of AP's here in MO spent considerable
time trying to sway the opinion of the GM in STL (and KC a couple
years later) after they pulled AA. I tried telling them that they
were wasting their time and the HET employees were likely laughing
and pumping their fists at pi$$ing off some AP's...and the fact that
they were griping about the elimination of AA simply reinforced their
decisions....

If you're going to pi$$ and moan, be sure you craft your letter to
appear as if you're the typical uneducated ploppie...hard to do when
specifically mentioning "9/6 Jacks" or "NSUD"

Stuart wrote:

Imagine, if there were a large ad in the LV Sun, or a prominent gaming
publication read by many unskilled gamblers, and it announced that
Caesars had drastically lowered the payback on VP.

I'll tell you one thing from direct experience, don't bother with a
"Letter to the Editor" :wink:

- H.

You know every time I turn on the T.V. there is one of those
gambling shows running on the travel channel. Perhaps Jean Scott or
Anthony Curtis could help us out here, they are constantly being
interviewed on those shows. I guarantee you that the people who
watch those gambling shows are gamblers and are coveted by the
Harrahs type of executives. All they (Scott and Curtis) have to do
is point out the obvious. If you are a slots player and you are
trying to decide where to play look for casino's that have those
100% payback signs on the video poker machines. Since there is no
way of knowing what the payback will be on a slot machine you need
to look at the video poker paytables. Telling a mass audience to
memorize the paytables isn't feasable, but honestly most Casinos
that have good games end up putting those signs on the machines, and
well they should. Sinc Snake Eyes

> No number of skilled players complaining to Harrahs or

abandoning

> Harrahs will make any difference. Harrahs has made the decision,
> likely correct, that it's in their interest to only court

players

who
> are unskilled enough to gamble at a large disadvantage.
>
> Therefore, the only thing that will motivate Harrahs is if
UNskilled
> players abandon them. When Harrahs lowers the return on VP, it
hurts
> everyone regardless of skill, but only the skilled players

notice.

If
> the unskilled players noticed, then Harrahs would take notice.
>
> So, what might do good is any type of action that would make
> unskilled players aware that they'll be lower payback on VP when
they
> gamble at Caesars now, compared to last year. Imagine, if there
were
> a large ad in the LV Sun, or a prominent gaming publication read

by

> many unskilled gamblers, and it announced that Caesars had
> drastically lowered the payback on VP. Harrahs would surely

notice

> that.
>
> I'm not gonna pay for that ad... but hey, maybe Wynn would

bankroll

> it!
>
> Stuart (RandomStu)
> http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/fungames.htm

Very well stated Stu. A group of AP's here in MO spent

considerable

time trying to sway the opinion of the GM in STL (and KC a couple
years later) after they pulled AA. I tried telling them that they
were wasting their time and the HET employees were likely laughing
and pumping their fists at pi$$ing off some AP's...and the fact

that

they were griping about the elimination of AA simply reinforced

their

decisions....

If you're going to pi$$ and moan, be sure you craft your letter to
appear as if you're the typical uneducated ploppie...hard to do

when

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@...> wrote:

specifically mentioning "9/6 Jacks" or "NSUD"

I like this approach -- a lot.
   
  Additionally, players (like us) could populate tourist BBs and give this advice -- to look to play in casinos "that have those 100% payback signs on the video poker machines" and give the rationale, "that since there is no way of knowing what the payback will be on a slot machine, you need to look at the video poker paytables" and play at the casinos that offer the best games overall.
   
  A well-planned, well-executed grass-roots campaign to educate the public could be effective -- especially if we also educate tourists to avoid their hotel's over-priced restaurants and shows (which inflate their prices so that the average tourists pay for the casnio's whales).
   
  The bottom line is that if we can impact key revenue streams, changes would have to be made.
   
  Lainie

  You know every time I turn on the T.V. there is one of those
gambling shows running on the travel channel. Perhaps Jean Scott or
Anthony Curtis could help us out here, they are constantly being
interviewed on those shows. I guarantee you that the people who
watch those gambling shows are gamblers and are coveted by the
Harrahs type of executives. All they (Scott and Curtis) have to do
is point out the obvious. If you are a slots player and you are
trying to decide where to play look for casino's that have those
100% payback signs on the video poker machines. Since there is no
way of knowing what the payback will be on a slot machine you need
to look at the video poker paytables. Telling a mass audience to
memorize the paytables isn't feasable, but honestly most Casinos
that have good games end up putting those signs on the machines, and
well they should. Sinc Snake Eyes

> No number of skilled players complaining to Harrahs or

abandoning

> Harrahs will make any difference. Harrahs has made the decision,
> likely correct, that it's in their interest to only court

players

who
> are unskilled enough to gamble at a large disadvantage.
>
> Therefore, the only thing that will motivate Harrahs is if
UNskilled
> players abandon them. When Harrahs lowers the return on VP, it
hurts
> everyone regardless of skill, but only the skilled players

notice.

If
> the unskilled players noticed, then Harrahs would take notice.
>
> So, what might do good is any type of action that would make
> unskilled players aware that they'll be lower payback on VP when
they
> gamble at Caesars now, compared to last year. Imagine, if there
were
> a large ad in the LV Sun, or a prominent gaming publication read

by

> many unskilled gamblers, and it announced that Caesars had
> drastically lowered the payback on VP. Harrahs would surely

notice

> that.
>
> I'm not gonna pay for that ad... but hey, maybe Wynn would

bankroll

> it!
>
> Stuart (RandomStu)
> http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/fungames.htm

Very well stated Stu. A group of AP's here in MO spent

considerable

time trying to sway the opinion of the GM in STL (and KC a couple
years later) after they pulled AA. I tried telling them that they
were wasting their time and the HET employees were likely laughing
and pumping their fists at pi$$ing off some AP's...and the fact

that

they were griping about the elimination of AA simply reinforced

their

decisions....

If you're going to pi$$ and moan, be sure you craft your letter to
appear as if you're the typical uneducated ploppie...hard to do

when

specifically mentioning "9/6 Jacks" or "NSUD"

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<<All they (Scott and Curtis) have to do
is point out the obvious. If you are a slots player and you are
trying to decide where to play look for casino's that have those
100% payback signs on the video poker machines. >>

Brad and I have been on scores of TV shows and in many of them I have talked about looking for good VP paytables. I've even compared a good schedule with a bad one.

I don't mean to be pessimistic here, but I think we've been entering a new casino age for quite a few years, where technology is being used more and more to see what increases the casino's bottom line. I strongly feel that we on this list, including the ones who write for the public and/or appear on TV, are wasting their energy trying to change the system.

In light of that belief, when I write or appear on TV, I am trying to help individuals operate better inside the system rather than trying to change the system. I feel that all of our energies on this list will be more useful if we quit our whining and complaining about "what has been" and start looking for new places to play and good promotions anywhere we can take advantage of. Brad and I have rarely played an over-100% machine for years, yet we continue to make money. How? By finding extras benefits from promotions and slot club benefits.

Scour the database for new places to play and be flexible as to what casinos you visit - you can't always choose your nearest or "favorite" casino if you want to make money. Read this forum and others with the purpose of finding new places to get room comps.

Playing smart VP is hard work and being constantly on the lookout for better opportunities. I never said it would be easy!!!! :slight_smile:

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