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Caesars Palace Comps

#1

Stayed at CP 2 nites and we played $30,720 on

my card one day. Earned $26 in comp dollars for a
.085% rate. Last time I played there, over a year ago,
I earned comp dollars at a .55% rate. Quite a change. <<<<

"jimnkelli" <jbecker11@charter.net> replied:

If CP is Ceasars, then there is quite a descrepancy

betweeen your experiance and the Data Base (updated
10/04). It reports Ceasars as 0.227% cashback and
0.75% comp $, that should have netted you $230 in
comps??? What about discretionary comps??? <<

Caesars apparently credits comps at a reduced rate
until you've paid back all marketing and discretionary
comps. It appears to me that their total comps (earned
plus marketing plus discretionary) probably equals
around 0.75%.

vpFREE Administrator

#2

Can confirm this. We stayed last month at Caesars for 8 nights with
them comping our suite in the Palace Tower. Over the 8 days there
we averaged over $30,000 a day and earned less them $200 comp
dollars total for the trip. We were also told that comp dollars
accrue much slower until you meet the theoretical to take care of
any comps. Once comp dollar account is used Hosts can still comp
remainer, ala Harrahs. Bottom line, for folks with heavy comps, the
comp dollar account at Caesars in essence is meaningless. Cashback
is NOT effected.

Marc

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:

>>>> Stayed at CP 2 nites and we played $30,720 on
my card one day. Earned $26 in comp dollars for a
.085% rate. Last time I played there, over a year ago,
I earned comp dollars at a .55% rate. Quite a change. <<<<

"jimnkelli" <jbecker11@c...> replied:

>>If CP is Ceasars, then there is quite a descrepancy
betweeen your experiance and the Data Base (updated
10/04). It reports Ceasars as 0.227% cashback and
0.75% comp $, that should have netted you $230 in
comps??? What about discretionary comps??? <<

Caesars apparently credits comps at a reduced rate
until you've paid back all marketing and discretionary
comps. It appears to me that their total comps (earned
plus marketing plus discretionary) probably equals
around 0.75%.

vpFREE Administrator

#3

As good a theory as any, but...
a couple of months back, my SWMBO got her own slot club card at Caesars to see if we couldn't get better than .08% comps. We played that same day to see if this helped (so mailings other comps were not a factor). It worked for an hour or two, as the comp dollar account zoomed up to about $50 or so. But then the comp rate abruptly slammed on the brakes and went back to .08%.

My best guess is the comp rate is high until you've earned a few bucks, then it's .08% forever. But, who knows?

---John, who really likes playing at Caesars but can't figure out how to get good comps from them.

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Caesars apparently credits comps at a reduced rate
until you've paid back all marketing and discretionary
comps. It appears to me that their total comps (earned
plus marketing plus discretionary) probably equals around 0.75%.

vpFREE Administrator

#4

OK, I did some "research" today and have a new theory.

I asked point blank at the slot club booth and was informed that "it's all done by computers". (Sigh.)

I checked in a room in the Palace Tower for a friend's in-laws (I think we are currently providing more free rooms for more people than "Habitat for Humanity"), and then played on my card. As far as I can tell, the used free room offer had no effect, I ALWAYS get a lousy comp rate there.

Playing JoB 10-play $.25 Super Times Pay machines yielded about .1% in comp dollars (I can't be more precise; comp dollars are only displayed to the nearest dollar, and I only played about half an hour on each machine).
Playing single-line $1 JoB yielded about .2%.
Playing 5-play $.25 JoB yielded about .2%.

I know from previous experience that $.25 JoB multistrike play yields about .1%.

So...comp dollar accrual varies by machine. Maybe single-line quarter players get the fabled .75% rate?

John

John Kelly wrote:

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As good a theory as any, but...
a couple of months back, my SWMBO got her own slot club card at Caesars to see if we couldn't get better than .08% comps. We played that same day to see if this helped (so mailings other comps were not a factor). It worked for an hour or two, as the comp dollar account zoomed up to about $50 or so. But then the comp rate abruptly slammed on the brakes and went back to .08%.

#5

My wife and I played on my card 2 weeks ago. We were not staying at
Caesars. We played the quarter 3-play, 5-play JB. I tracked my
cash back and comp dollars over several sessions. My comp dollars
went up exactly 4x my cash back dollars! I'll report back if this
changes in the future. Right now Caesars is the best comp play in
town for me, especially on the strip.

OK, I did some "research" today and have a new theory.

I asked point blank at the slot club booth and was informed

that "it's

all done by computers". (Sigh.)

I checked in a room in the Palace Tower for a friend's in-laws (I

think

we are currently providing more free rooms for more people

than "Habitat

for Humanity"), and then played on my card. As far as I can tell,

the

used free room offer had no effect, I ALWAYS get a lousy comp rate

there.

Playing JoB 10-play $.25 Super Times Pay machines yielded

about .1% in

comp dollars (I can't be more precise; comp dollars are only

displayed

to the nearest dollar, and I only played about half an hour on

each

machine).
Playing single-line $1 JoB yielded about .2%.
Playing 5-play $.25 JoB yielded about .2%.

I know from previous experience that $.25 JoB multistrike play

yields

about .1%.

So...comp dollar accrual varies by machine. Maybe single-line

quarter

players get the fabled .75% rate?

John

John Kelly wrote:
> As good a theory as any, but...
> a couple of months back, my SWMBO got her own slot club card at

Caesars

> to see if we couldn't get better than .08% comps. We played that

same

> day to see if this helped (so mailings other comps were not a

factor).

> It worked for an hour or two, as the comp dollar account zoomed

up to

> about $50 or so. But then the comp rate abruptly slammed on the

brakes

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Kelly <jwkelly@f...> wrote:

> and went back to .08%.

#6

OK, I did some "research" today and have a new theory.

I asked point blank at the slot club booth and was informed

that "it's

all done by computers". (Sigh.)

I checked in a room in the Palace Tower for a friend's in-laws (I

think

we are currently providing more free rooms for more people

than "Habitat

for Humanity"), and then played on my card. As far as I can tell,

the

used free room offer had no effect, I ALWAYS get a lousy comp rate

there.

Playing JoB 10-play $.25 Super Times Pay machines yielded about .1%

in

comp dollars (I can't be more precise; comp dollars are only

displayed

to the nearest dollar, and I only played about half an hour on each
machine).
Playing single-line $1 JoB yielded about .2%.
Playing 5-play $.25 JoB yielded about .2%.

I know from previous experience that $.25 JoB multistrike play

yields

about .1%.

So...comp dollar accrual varies by machine. Maybe single-line

quarter

players get the fabled .75% rate?

John

John Kelly wrote:
> As good a theory as any, but...
> a couple of months back, my SWMBO got her own slot club card at

Caesars

> to see if we couldn't get better than .08% comps. We played that

same

> day to see if this helped (so mailings other comps were not a

factor).

> It worked for an hour or two, as the comp dollar account zoomed

up to

> about $50 or so. But then the comp rate abruptly slammed on the

brakes

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Kelly <jwkelly@f...> wrote:

> and went back to .08%.

******

Alright, I broke out the piece of paper received from the Flamingo in
Laughlin awhile back that explained it all.

Under the bold heading "Comp Dollars" it states:

Earned for both slot and table games play
Based on a mathematical matrix
Amount earned is influenced by:
     the type of game of machine played
     the time and speed of play
     the property and level of player

*****

I barely have made the radar in Laughlin. Maybe it is time for a
Strip road trip?

#7

Another perfectly good theory RUINED by an incovenient fact. Oh, well.
I'd LOVE to crank out .8% comps at Caesars (especially on those fast 10-play STPs - I can crank thru about $12K/hour), but I can't figure out the trick.

John

Bob M wrote:

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My wife and I played on my card 2 weeks ago. We were not staying at Caesars. We played the quarter 3-play, 5-play JB. I tracked my cash back and comp dollars over several sessions. My comp dollars went up exactly 4x my cash back dollars! I'll report back if this changes in the future. Right now Caesars is the best comp play in town for me, especially on the strip.

#8

I had to laugh at that explaination by Caesars. It has a lot of
words, but doesn't tell you a thing.
Mathematical matrix? What is that?
The time? I have never heard of the time of day getting into the
mix.
Speed of play? What does the speed have to do with anything?
Level of player? What are they talking about here. I would like
some details.

Interesting- Not a word was mentioned about dollar amount played. I
guess we have been fooled the whole time.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bluestreak86001" <GRAYTLEEGRAY@a...>
wrote:

Alright, I broke out the piece of paper received from the Flamingo

in

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Laughlin awhile back that explained it all.

Under the bold heading "Comp Dollars" it states:

Earned for both slot and table games play
Based on a mathematical matrix
Amount earned is influenced by:
     the type of game of machine played
     the time and speed of play
     the property and level of player

#9

Can someone enlighten me about JOB Super Times Pay? How does this
increase ER? Is there a different pay schedule from standard 9/6?

Thanks for the help.

Another perfectly good theory RUINED by an incovenient fact. Oh,

well.

I'd LOVE to crank out .8% comps at Caesars (especially on those

fast

10-play STPs - I can crank thru about $12K/hour), but I can't

figure out

the trick.

John

Bob M wrote:
>
> My wife and I played on my card 2 weeks ago. We were not staying

at

> Caesars. We played the quarter 3-play, 5-play JB. I tracked my
> cash back and comp dollars over several sessions. My comp

dollars

> went up exactly 4x my cash back dollars! I'll report back if

this

> changes in the future. Right now Caesars is the best comp play

in

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Kelly <jwkelly@f...> wrote:

> town for me, especially on the strip.
>

#10

OK, I did some "research" today and have a new theory.

I asked point blank at the slot club booth and was informed

that "it's

all done by computers". (Sigh.)

I checked in a room in the Palace Tower for a friend's in-laws (I

think

we are currently providing more free rooms for more people

than "Habitat

for Humanity"), and then played on my card. As far as I can tell,

the

used free room offer had no effect, I ALWAYS get a lousy comp rate

there.

Playing JoB 10-play $.25 Super Times Pay machines yielded about .1%

in

comp dollars (I can't be more precise; comp dollars are only

displayed

Classic slot club answer to your query! I'm guessing CP has
purchased some sort of commercial tracking system, so if you could
get its name (yeah, sure), we might be able to research it further.
The comment about rate relationship to game, speed,
time, "level", "matrix" (let's ask Keanu!) etc. hint at one of those
complicated theo systems that defy analysis. The trick then is to
find something that works (if you can) and stick with it.

It does appear locals get totally screwed (.1%) no matter what ("we
don't want your stinking action"). Non-guest visitors get the
highest rate (.8%), and so do new players (albeit a temporary
tease). Visitors on marketing offers are somewhere in between.
Other variables (comp acct. value, machine, denomination etc) fine-
tune rate.

Despite the complicated tracking system, CP probably has the best
combination of games, offers, and slot benefits on the Strip at this
time ... for visitors anyway.

Strategy: play heavy as a non-guest, then return on a quality
marketing offer to use comps while playing lightly. Repeat.

'Course all of this could change if CP gets absorbed into Harrahs.

2-W

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#11

The ER difference is pretty trivial - if I remember correctly, the feature adds about 0.1% to the game, making it 99.6%.

The appeal of the game to me is:

1) Pace. Most ten-plays are sluggish, these two machines are fast.
2) Entertainment. STP livens up the game considerably. With SPT, you are betting (paying?) an extra coin (6 coins instead of five) for the feature, which is: every now and then, at random intervals during the deal, the machine announces that payouts for this hand will be 2x, 3x, 5x, 8x, or even 10 times normal. For example, yesterday, three of the first four cards dealt were 5s; then, prior to dealing the fifth card, the STP chime kicked in, and announced the this hand would pay 5x normal! So, if you were sitting anywhere near me, you would have noticed that suddenly I was jumping up and down in my chair, chanting "FIVE!!! FIVE!!! FIVE!!!" It didn't deal me my fourth five, but it definitely had my attention. If it had, it would have payed 125 x 10 x 5 = 6250 coins. As it was, I was keenly interested in the results of the draw (I caught one quad, worth 625 coins instead of the usual 125).

John

wayneg5 wrote:

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Can someone enlighten me about JOB Super Times Pay? How does this increase ER? Is there a different pay schedule from standard 9/6?

#12

I thought it was posted earlier that the SxPay added something like
0.36 to the game, Can someone please post the correct amount.

thanks
Jim

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Kelly <jwkelly@f...> wrote:

The ER difference is pretty trivial - if I remember correctly, the
feature adds about 0.1% to the game, making it 99.6%.