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Caesars LV notes

Hi...

My lovely wife and I spent 4 days last weekend in Las Vegas (1/20-24/06), almost exclusively playing at Caesars... a few notes on our trip.

    - Our room was one of the corner mini-suites in the Augustus Tower. While not really a suite in the sense of having multiple rooms (besides the bathroom), it was very, very large and very, very nice. (Almost ridiculously so, considering that 90+% of the time we spend in the room, we're asleep!) Still, quite impressive and appreciated.

    - I did a somewhat thorough walk of the floor, examining machines up to the $5 level, and the playable video poker inventory seems to be fundamentally the same as is reported on both VPInsider and VPFree. Only minor change is that what was previously [(6) upright 3/5-play 25c 9/6 JOB machines against the wall near the garage] is now [(4) upright 3/5-play 25c 9/6 JOB machines mid-floor near the garage] -- two machines were lost, and the remainder moved a few feet, in what just appears to be a remodel of the floor. We didn't play these machines, but this is very much a dead-end area of the casino, so I wouldn't be surprised if drink service here is lousy, if that matters to you. Otherwise, the key casino inventory seemed to be intact: (2) each of Super Times Pay (STP), SpinPoker, MultiStrike, and 5xMultiStrike with $0.25 9/6 JOB; several 3/5-play 25c 9/6 JOB scattered; (10) $0.25 NSUD uprights near the Elton John store; (15) $1 (and up, on some machines) NSUD in the Palace Casino; plenty of single-line 9/6 JOB in $0.25 through $2 scattered.

    - For the first time in our many years in Vegas, we ran into the dark side of machine lock-ups. As Caesars LV devotees know, there are (2) 9/6 JOB Super Times Pay machines in the casino (near Bradley Ogden). For a significant part of the weekend, a gentleman (who I'm sure is reading this) occupied one of the machines, aggressively playing 10-play. No prob. However, he apparently had slot personnel lock up his machine when he went to sleep. The first night of this (Saturday night) my wife and I naively stayed away, assuming from the "out of order" sign (and on-screen "disable" notice) that the machine was actually dead. The next night we realized something was up, and asked the slot techs to release the machine, which they did since it had been locked up for over 2 hours without activity. ...I have no problem with someone actively playing a desirable game, or even locking it up for an hour or two for a meal, but trying to lock it overnight when there are only 2 such games in the whole casino just rubs me the wrong way. (It turns out this was also a slot tourney weekend that seemed to have drawn a number of VP players, so interest in these machines was stronger than usual... making the lockout all the more egregious IMHO.)

    - As a break from the video poker grind, I've joined the ranks of live poker players. I thoroughly enjoyed the new Caesars poker room -- quiet, comfortable, good management and dealers, and still money to be made from lousy players. (On our previous few trips I've taken the ~10-minute walk to Bally's to play live poker, and so appreciated having a good poker room in my home casino.)

    - Our host for the past year+ has been Liz Muramoto. Highly recommended.

And a question...

    Many people (including us!) have recently been frightened of the "Harrahification" of Caesars -- especially having the decent video poker machines removed or downgraded. Clearly, up 'til now, the slot director at Caesars LV has considered it worthwhile to offer some fair gambles (9/6 JOB and higher) in his casino. My question: what level of autonomy does Harrah's give their senior casino personnel? In other words, is it reasonable to expect that this slot director will stay on and continue to be able to offer decent gambles? Or will (s)he be replaced and/or unilaterally instructed to cut back on the good games?

Thanks!

--Joe

There is no way 9/6 JOB lives on after Harrahs has settled in. I have no
doubt they will go. Just look at what they did to Harrahs and Rio.

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Joe Schober
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 3:12 AM
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Subject: [vpFREE] Caesars LV notes

And a question...

    Many people (including us!) have recently been frightened of the
"Harrahification" of Caesars -- especially having the decent video
poker machines removed or downgraded. Clearly, up 'til now, the slot
director at Caesars LV has considered it worthwhile to offer some
fair gambles (9/6 JOB and higher) in his casino. My question: what
level of autonomy does Harrah's give their senior casino personnel?
In other words, is it reasonable to expect that this slot director
will stay on and continue to be able to offer decent gambles? Or
will (s)he be replaced and/or unilaterally instructed to cut back on
the good games?

Thanks!

--Joe

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Randy C wrote:

There is no way 9/6 JOB lives on after Harrahs has settled in. I
have no doubt they will go. Just look at what they did to Harrahs
and Rio.

I'll agree that things are likely to be pared back, but I'd hesitate
to make such a strong statement. In the last year, Harrah's has
introduced multi-denom machines with 9/6 Jacks at both Harrah's and
Showboat in AC.

It's anybody's guess exactly how they'll look to position Caesars-LV,
but there's some hope that there will still be something to play there
next year.

- H.

I still say 9/6 JOB under $5 will go away at Caesars.

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Harry Porter
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:36 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Caesars LV notes

Randy C wrote:

There is no way 9/6 JOB lives on after Harrahs has settled in. I
have no doubt they will go. Just look at what they did to Harrahs
and Rio.

I'll agree that things are likely to be pared back, but I'd hesitate
to make such a strong statement. In the last year, Harrah's has
introduced multi-denom machines with 9/6 Jacks at both Harrah's and
Showboat in AC.

It's anybody's guess exactly how they'll look to position Caesars-LV,
but there's some hope that there will still be something to play there
next year.

- H.

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I'd also like to remind everyone reading this thread that Harrah's LV
does have $1/$2 8/5 BP and 9/6 JOB currently. It brings about doubts
of whether or not all good game inventory will be eradicated upon
Harrah-fication.

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On 1/29/06, Randy C <randyc@uclalumni.net> wrote:

I still say 9/6 JOB under $5 will go away at Caesars.

-----Original Message-----
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Harry Porter
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:36 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Caesars LV notes

Randy C wrote:
> There is no way 9/6 JOB lives on after Harrahs has settled in. I
> have no doubt they will go. Just look at what they did to Harrahs
> and Rio.

I'll agree that things are likely to be pared back, but I'd hesitate
to make such a strong statement. In the last year, Harrah's has
introduced multi-denom machines with 9/6 Jacks at both Harrah's and
Showboat in AC.

It's anybody's guess exactly how they'll look to position Caesars-LV,
but there's some hope that there will still be something to play there
next year.

- H.

And the Harrahs carnage continues....

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Subject: [vpFREE] Fwd: Caesars Las Vegas

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At Caesars Las Vegas the machines at the Sportsbook Bar have had the 9/6
Jacks-or-Better downgraded in all three denominations 25c, 50c and $1.

Also the bank of three slant-tops in the Palace Casino that had NSUD in
dollars only has been downgraded.

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Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 2:48 PM
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Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Caesars LV notes

I still say 9/6 JOB under $5 will go away at Caesars.

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Harry Porter
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:36 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Caesars LV notes

Randy C wrote:

There is no way 9/6 JOB lives on after Harrahs has settled in. I
have no doubt they will go. Just look at what they did to Harrahs
and Rio.

I'll agree that things are likely to be pared back, but I'd hesitate
to make such a strong statement. In the last year, Harrah's has
introduced multi-denom machines with 9/6 Jacks at both Harrah's and
Showboat in AC.

It's anybody's guess exactly how they'll look to position Caesars-LV,
but there's some hope that there will still be something to play there
next year.

- H.

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I guess it's time for this..

I TOLD YOU SO!

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
Devin Braun
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 6:21 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Caesars LV notes

I'd also like to remind everyone reading this thread that Harrah's LV
does have $1/$2 8/5 BP and 9/6 JOB currently. It brings about doubts
of whether or not all good game inventory will be eradicated upon
Harrah-fication.

On 1/29/06, Randy C <randyc@uclalumni.net> wrote:

I still say 9/6 JOB under $5 will go away at Caesars.

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Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:36 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Caesars LV notes

Randy C wrote:
> There is no way 9/6 JOB lives on after Harrahs has settled in. I
> have no doubt they will go. Just look at what they did to Harrahs
> and Rio.

Harry wrote:
I'll agree that things are likely to be pared back, but I'd hesitate
to make such a strong statement. In the last year, Harrah's has
introduced multi-denom machines with 9/6 Jacks at both Harrah's and
Showboat in AC.

It's anybody's guess exactly how they'll look to position Caesars-LV,
but there's some hope that there will still be something to play there
next year.

- H.

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Does this make you feel better? <smile>

...bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Randy C" <randyc@...> wrote:

I guess it's time for this..

I TOLD YOU SO!

Randy C wrote:

> I guess it's time for this..
> I TOLD YOU SO!

bl replied:

Does this make you feel better? <smile>

I doubt it. Were Randy looking for gratuitous satisfaction, he would
havbe added: "NYAH-NYAH!"

Honestly I would have preferred to be wrong in this case.

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
Harry Porter
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 5:31 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Caesars LV notes

Randy C wrote:

> I guess it's time for this..
> I TOLD YOU SO!

bl replied:

Does this make you feel better? <smile>

I doubt it. Were Randy looking for gratuitous satisfaction, he would
havbe added: "NYAH-NYAH!"

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Does anyone know why there wasn't a Players Edge column yesterday?

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There was a column, which I read in the LVRJ,
but the online link hasn't worked yet.

vpFae

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On 11 Nov 2006 at 19:57, dlf89 wrote:

Does anyone know why there wasn't a Players Edge
column yesterday?

That is not relevant what they did in AC. They have different
property presidents, different slot managers and even different
regional managers above the president. These decisions are made at
the property level or regional level, not corportate. Did I mention
they are different markets. In LV they make a lot of money on non-
gaming activities like rooms, they don't need to be aggressive on
video poker,

Also, Atlantic City is largely a market for repeat gamblers,
where Vegas is for tourists again impacting on how you need to set
machines. Also Trump exists as an important third competitor on the
Strip to the market dominating Borgota owned by Boyd/MGM and
everything else owned by Harrah's and more competition is coming and
they also have to compete with Conn. Indian tribes. On the Strip two
casinos control everthing and thet don't need gambers anymore unless
they are whales-

-- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...>
wrote:

Randy C wrote:
> There is no way 9/6 JOB lives on after Harrahs has settled in. I
> have no doubt they will go. Just look at what they did to

Harrahs

> and Rio.

I'll agree that things are likely to be pared back, but I'd

hesitate

to make such a strong statement. In the last year, Harrah's has
introduced multi-denom machines with 9/6 Jacks at both Harrah's and
Showboat in AC.

It's anybody's guess exactly how they'll look to position Caesars-

LV,

but there's some hope that there will still be something to play

there

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next year.

- H.

Sad, but true. Seeing what is happening at CP, in my opinion, for the short to mid-term,
things do not look very good for Harrah's die-hard's in LV.

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "caplatinum" <belairgold@...> wrote:

On the Strip two casinos control everthing and thet don't need gambers anymore unless
they are whales

caplatinum wrote:

That is not relevant what they did in AC

Hey, no fair second-guessing my January specualtion with November
hindsight! (Just because my crystal ball isn't as finely polished as
Randy's is no reason to rub it in :slight_smile:

- H.

I have a crystal ball on my desk, but when I look into it all I see is
myself, upside down.

Drew

(Just because my crystal ball isn't as finely polished as

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

Randy's is no reason to rub it in :slight_smile:
- H.

I have a crystal ball on my desk, but when I look into it all I see is
myself, upside down.

Drew

(Just because my crystal ball isn't as finely polished as

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

Randy's is no reason to rub it in :slight_smile:
- H.

LOL:)

Drew Sterling <vpdeuces@yahoo.com> wrote: I have a crystal ball on my desk, but when I look into it all I see is
myself, upside down.

Drew

(Just because my crystal ball isn't as finely polished as

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
> Randy's is no reason to rub it in :slight_smile:
> - H.

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