Is there any regulation in Ca that prevents casinos from offering 100% +
games (without counting slot club cash or welfare checks or promos)?
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Ca regulations
On Bob's show, the head slot guy from Pechanga said games returning over 100% are prohibited. I know of only one non-progressive game that violates this rule. It's on a multigame machine so maybe they factor that in like John Mott used to at Copa in Biloxi.
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On Dec 14, 2012, at 8:18 AM, pesach kremen <royalflush2222@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is there any regulation in Ca that prevents casinos from offering 100% +
games (without counting slot club cash or welfare checks or promos)?
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There was a 102% quarter JW game on the bartop (30+machines) at Fantasy Springs for many years. Sadly it was finally removed. It was a progressive but the 102% was the reset. I guess it was a programming error but it was there for over 3 years (probably longer that is just how long I played it) and paid out many times a day. I just don't see how management can't know about something like this. So if they aren't allowed to have 100% plus games, and somebody from gaming is supposedly regulating them, how does something like this slip by? That bar is much less crowded these days.....
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
On Bob's show, the head slot guy from Pechanga said games returning over 100% are prohibited. I know of only one non-progressive game that violates this rule. It's on a multigame machine so maybe they factor that in like John Mott used to at Copa in Biloxi.
What I find funny about "CA Regulations" is they cannot have 100%+ VP and comp drinks, but its ok to smoke. It seems like the "reservation" just chooses whatever rules are beneficial for the business. They can get away with this since they essentially have a local monopoly.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "patricia" <udamom@...> wrote:
There was a 102% quarter JW game on the bartop (30+machines) at Fantasy Springs for many years. Sadly it was finally removed. It was a progressive but the 102% was the reset. I guess it was a programming error but it was there for over 3 years (probably longer that is just how long I played it) and paid out many times a day. I just don't see how management can't know about something like this. So if they aren't allowed to have 100% plus games, and somebody from gaming is supposedly regulating them, how does something like this slip by? That bar is much less crowded these days.....
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@> wrote:
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> On Bob's show, the head slot guy from Pechanga said games returning over 100% are prohibited. I know of only one non-progressive game that violates this rule. It's on a multigame machine so maybe they factor that in like John Mott used to at Copa in Biloxi.
Mississippi gaming regulations will not allow 100% plus VP. However, I do think the progressive is allowed to exceed 100% if it should reach that point. Hey, at least they do have comp drinks.
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--- On Sun, 12/16/12, vp4comps <kevinbaronowsky@gmail.com> wrote:
From: vp4comps <kevinbaronowsky@gmail.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Ca regulations
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 16, 2012, 10:41 PM
What I find funny about "CA Regulations" is they cannot have 100%+ VP and comp drinks, but its ok to smoke. It seems like the "reservation" just chooses whatever rules are beneficial for the business. They can get away with this since they essentially have a local monopoly.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "patricia" <udamom@...> wrote:
There was a 102% quarter JW game on the bartop (30+machines) at Fantasy Springs for many years. Sadly it was finally removed. It was a progressive but the 102% was the reset. I guess it was a programming error but it was there for over 3 years (probably longer that is just how long I played it) and paid out many times a day. I just don't see how management can't know about something like this. So if they aren't allowed to have 100% plus games, and somebody from gaming is supposedly regulating them, how does something like this slip by? That bar is much less crowded these days.....
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@> wrote:
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> On Bob's show, the head slot guy from Pechanga said games returning over 100% are prohibited. I know of only one non-progressive game that violates this rule. It's on a multigame machine so maybe they factor that in like John Mott used to at Copa in Biloxi.
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They should have been checking the return of the machine, but that could have still been favorable for the casino if players weren't betting max or were using the wrong strategy or making play mistakes or playing other games other than the one with the overlay. They may not have been checking the return of individual machines, instead just checking a bank of machines, and the bank may have been favorable for the casino. And maybe 100%+ games are prohibited in California and elsewhere, but what's the penalty? There is none. Name me a casino anywhere that's been fined for having a 100%+ game? There are plenty of examples of casinos that have been fined for cheating or violating civil rights. Is it also prohibited for state lotteries to go over 100%+ return?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "patricia" <udamom@...> wrote:
There was a 102% quarter JW game on the bartop (30+machines) at Fantasy Springs for many years. Sadly it was finally removed. It was a progressive but the 102% was the reset. I guess it was a programming error but it was there for over 3 years (probably longer that is just how long I played it) and paid out many times a day. I just don't see how management can't know about something like this. So if they aren't allowed to have 100% plus games, and somebody from gaming is supposedly regulating them, how does something like this slip by? That bar is much less crowded these days.....
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@> wrote:
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> On Bob's show, the head slot guy from Pechanga said games returning over 100% are prohibited. I know of only one non-progressive game that violates this rule. It's on a multigame machine so maybe they factor that in like John Mott used to at Copa in Biloxi.
There are plenty of free alcoholic beverages at CA casinos. You just have to be invited to an event to get them. Saw a lady so loaded at Agua Caliente's Super Bowl Party she spent the entire game guzzling out at the bar and greeted every male passerby with a shout and a whistle. The bar itself actually had good brands on the shelf, i.e. Patron which was a great value being complimentary compared to the food itself, the usual hot dogs, chips, etc.
Pala usually has a "high end" cocktail party monthly inside of high limit with complimentary premium call brands as well and much better food. But, strangely enough, the New Years Eve party in two weeks includes no drinks at all.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp4comps" <kevinbaronowsky@...> wrote:
What I find funny about "CA Regulations" is they cannot have 100%+ VP and comp drinks, but its ok to smoke. It seems like the "reservation" just chooses whatever rules are beneficial for the business. They can get away with this since they essentially have a local monopoly.
The Copa in Gulfport used to have Full pay All American, Deuces Wild, Joker Wild, and Double Bonus. Some of these games were progressives in dollars! The slot director interpreted the regulation to mean the MACHINE couldn't have a return over 100% so these games were on multigame machines with other lower ER games.
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On Dec 17, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Scott Norwood <magnum0829@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mississippi gaming regulations will not allow 100% plus VP. However, I do think the progressive is allowed to exceed 100% if it should reach that point. Hey, at least they do have comp drinks.
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