--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, jim thompson <meldrone@y...>
wrote:
The "right people", if that means friendly to America,
will never be in power after an American occupation.
Oil flows out of Wahhabi Saudi to the world market,
not to America.
1. Communism? In an Islamic State? Buy an
encyclopedia.
2. Oil which comes to West Coast refineries comes
accross the Pacific. Buy a map.
3. The "jewish problem", as you absurdly put it, did
not exist in Europe in 1948. But the Balfour
Declaration, which led to the formation of Israel, was
a British device, and they take credit to this very
day. Buy a history book.
In the intermediate term future, Iraq will make no
difference to the US oil complex. You have to look at
extremely muddy psychological reasons to explain the
Bush administration's actions. Visceral, not ulterior.
--- mickeycrimm <mickeycrimm@y...> wrote:
> RGMUSTAIN, Amen to your post.
>
> Jim, we don't have ground troops securing the oil in
> Saudi Arabia
> but the oil is flowing. Because the right people
> are in power. If
> that changes and the new people screw around watch
> how fast we
> move. With the right people in power in Iraq the
> oil will flow and
> every thing will be honky-dory.
>
> As for ulterior motives, let me give you an idea how
> it works on a
> grand scale. I'm not picking on the Jews here as I
> think the 20th
> century movement to reform Israel is one of the
> heroic stories in
> history.
>
> Harry Truman, along with several European powers,
> quickly recognized
> Israel when it was formed in l948, telling the world
> the Jews need a
> homeland because they can't get a break anywhere
> else. Since then
> every President, along with European leaders, has
> held that line.
> That's all the American people know about the issue.
>
> Now let me give you the real reasons the West has
> supported Israel
> all these years: 1. If communism were to gain a
> toe-hold in the
> middle east it would have to be where all the
> instability was,
> Palestine, now known as Eretz Israel. A western
> friendly country
> would effectively put the stopper in the Soviet Ass.
> 2. The Suez
> Canal. Ever wonder how all that oil gets from the
> Persian Gulf to
> Europe and the U.S. By ship, it comes out of the
> Persian Gulf, into
> the Indian Ocean, up the Suez Canal, across the
> Mediterranean, out
> into the Atlantic and either up to Europe or across
> to the U.S. God
> forbid the Suez Canal should ever be blocked. Thats
> an interruption
> in oil flow. We can't have that BS going on.
> Israel will be the
> staging ground for us if anybody is stupid enough to
> screw with the
> Suez Canal. 3. Europe was effectively relieved of
> it's "Jewish
> Problem." Yes, I know, it's a horrible reason - but
> the truth.
> Always look for the ulterior motives, Jim. Their
> always there.
>
>
>
>
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Jim , the U.S. has been using half the worlds oil supply for many
moons. This new movie Syriana will probably expose much of how Big
Oil works.
1. The year was 1948, hysteria over communism was rampant in he
west. Yes, communism in the middle east may have been a long shot,
but it's a shot the Soviets would have taken. And it was a shot Joe
McCarthy and the boys were gonna make sure didn't happen.
2. I joined the Seafarer's Internationl Union when I was 16 years
old. I worked the tankers. We sailed across the Atlantic, through
the Meditereanean, through the Suez, to the Persian Gulf, picked up
the oil and took the same route back. It was a 5 to six week trip.
We delivered the oil to east coast refineries. The eastern U.S.
burns most of the oil in this country. For 30 years most of the
west coast oil comes from Alaska. The west coast tanker fleet is
small compared to the east and gulf coast tanker fleets.
3. What a great device the Balfour Declaration was for the
English. What a conscience they had. The declaration, issued in
1914 by Lord Balfour, the english foreign minister, simply stated
that Jews had a right to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine.
What great statesmen english leaders were then in taking the lead in
finding justice for the Jews. Of course, the fact that the english
were smack dab in the middle of the first world war had nothing to
do with the declaration. The fact that the german military was 10%
Jewish had nothing to do with the declaration. No, the english
were't trying to undermine the german war machine. They were trying
to help the poor Jews,right? What is puzzling is after the english
found out the arabs were sitting on a shitload of oil they renigged
on the Balfour Declaration and did everything they could to keep
Jews out of Palestine. So they take credit, do they? Ulterior
motives again, Jim.