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Brief trip report -Harrah's St Louis

1st time visit to St Louis, for work, and I stayed at Harrah's two
nights: May 4/5. I got in about 12 hrs VP play total, 6 hrs each night.
Coming off a profitable Reno trip the week before (thanks in part to
my $2K Airport Royal on 50c coin ACE$ Bonus), I had the proper
bankroll, I think.

Thanks to scouting the vpFree Database, I thought I'd be playing
25c/50c/$1 9/6 JoB, but I never found the lone "draw Poker" MD machine
on the Island side of the casino. I'd have to say this machine was
MIA, as I got some very specific directions on it's location via posts
in vpFree_StLouis and I checked every machine in the area around the
noodle bar and never found it. I settled for a lone Island side 25c
8/5 Bonus poker machine for much of my 25c play. I also never found
the single machine(s) that contained $1 10/6 DDB nor the (1) $1 NSUD
machine. These were on the Mardi Gras side and I must admit my search
on that side was not exhaustive. I was content to play $1 BP on the
island side. The Mardi gras was much more chaotic and there were a lot
more machines I would have had to search, many of which were occupied.

Some other games I played were:
5c 5-play "(fake) Bonus poker" the 10-8-5-3-1-1 variety with separate
Royal progs for each line. These were a steady drain of 20's until I
got dealt a 4-card Royal and hit the Royal on one line for $216.

25c 9/5 DDB with a Prog for the sequential Royal that was over
$15,700. I assumed it started at $12,500. I held two in the sequence
and drew, alas, "only" two more in the right sequence. That was an
excited "stop and stare, thinking what might have been" moment.

I got less than average quads playing BP, so my bankroll was steadily
drained throughout my playing time. I never got quad As and only one
bonus quad 2,3,or 4s. The 25c BP was an upright, the $1 BP was a
slant top. I saw two folks get Royals on the $1 machines.

As far as the $500 play limit over two hour periods: here's how it
worked. The two hour periods were on the even hours: 4-6PM, 6-8PM etc.
The amount you'd put in during that period was displayed on each
machine when you first insert your Harrah's card. Any given X-dollar
bill that you then inserted that put you over $400 froze you out of
putting in any more bills. I assume that is because your next bill
could have been a hundred dollar bill which would put you over the
$500 limit. This happened to me twice and it was right near the end
of the 2-hour period, so it wasn't much bother to wait for the next
period to start. Someone told me that I could go to the cashier's cage
to get some sort of over-ride to play whatever increment of my last
$100 was left, but the one set of cashier cage windows always seemed
to have a line and I never bothered.

Another trap I fell into was during my last play period: I was up
about $50 on a machine, so I cashed out my balance and took the ticket
to a machine to get the cash. I then went to another VP machine and
tried to insert $100, but my total was already over $400, so I was
frozen out. Had I NOT cashed in the ticket and instead used the ticket
to start playing the new machine, it would have recognized this as my
original ($100) buy-in and not added it to my total. The $500 is total
NEW money that I introduce, U.S. Currency, and tickets do not count.
I'm not 100% certain how tickets carried over from one period to the
next worked, so best to have someone explain it (here or at Harrahs),
which I didn't do.

So, I lost about $100 per hour and racked up 1700 points. This was my
first time at any Harrahs. In St Louis, the next slot card level was
platinum I believe, and I was told that I'd move up after 4000 points.
I already got website offers for free stays and cash back ($35).

Oh- and there are automated same-day (low %)cash-back machines that
spit you out a ticket cashable at the cashier. I got $17 on that.
One more strange thing happened: As I was in the midst of a session on
the $1 BP machines, an attendant with a headset and a phone and
clipboard in his hand came up to me and said, "Mark?" I say "Yes?" He
says we want to give you some money. I say sounds good, he verifies my
ID and my slot card and writes up a slip for $15 that I cash at the
cashiers. Maybe this was because I was a first time card holder, kind
of nice, but a little disturbing in hindsight that I was trackable
real-time by a machine in the back room.

Anyhow, nice place, not great VP paytables, fast and modern machines,
good service, nice hotel, I'd stay and play there again, but I'd play
it a little more tight with my bankroll. There was self-service free
soda pop and water stands, one lone walk-up bar for alcohol (nothing
alcoholic was free) and cocktail waitresses circulating who usually
had trays full of pop and water bottles and would take alcohol drink
orders. There was a new gaming area and a bar just opening up the day
I left in the center area of the Island side.

I had one very good meal at Gitto's. A little pricey, but within my
company's allowable per diem for trips. Great steak and toasted
ravioli appetizer. Thanks also to "hockeystL" for suggestions via e-
mail.

~Mark

1st time visit to St Louis, for work, and I stayed at Harrah's two
nights: May 4/5. I got in about 12 hrs VP play total, 6 hrs each night.

Thanks to scouting the vpFree Database, I thought I'd be playing
25c/50c/$1 9/6 JoB, but I never found the lone "draw Poker" MD machine
on the Island side of the casino. I'd have to say this machine was
MIA, as I got some very specific directions on it's location via posts
in vpFree_StLouis and I checked every machine in the area around the
noodle bar and never found it. I settled for a lone Island side 25c
8/5 Bonus poker machine for much of my 25c play. I also never found
the single machine(s) that contained $1 10/6 DDB nor the (1) $1 NSUD
machine. These were on the Mardi Gras side and I must admit my search
on that side was not exhaustive. I was content to play $1 BP on the
island side. The Mardi gras was much more chaotic and there were a lot
more machines I would have had to search, many of which were occupied.

Sorry you didnt find the 9/6 jacks machine, it is definitely there on
the island side between the entrance and the noodle bar, I check this
one frequently, it is in a 12 machine (6 back to back) upright bank
and almost every game is 99%+ and they are MD .25,.50,$1,$2 each
machine is a different single game (no MG), but there is a good
variety for the .25 level players.

On the Mardi Gras side along the right wall there is a High Limit
VP/slot area and a carosel (sp?) with only 4 machines they are 10/7
DB, 10/6 DDB, 9/5 TB+, and NSUD, they are $1,$2,$5 single line and
single game machines, any 250 payoffs are shorted to 239 for the $5
players, but they are also shorted at all levels, so these games are
all aprox. 99.7%, they are the best guarenteed plays at Harrahs STL

Another trap I fell into was during my last play period: I was up
about $50 on a machine, so I cashed out my balance and took the ticket
to a machine to get the cash. I then went to another VP machine and
tried to insert $100, but my total was already over $400, so I was
frozen out. Had I NOT cashed in the ticket and instead used the ticket
to start playing the new machine, it would have recognized this as my
original ($100) buy-in and not added it to my total. The $500 is total
NEW money that I introduce, U.S. Currency, and tickets do not count.
I'm not 100% certain how tickets carried over from one period to the
next worked, so best to have someone explain it (here or at Harrahs),
which I didn't do.

Tickets count as nothing against your buy-in at any MO casino, if you
are going to keep playing it is a good idea to keep your tickets, they
are good for 90 days at the same casino and you can always just put
one in a machine and cash it back out to restart the 90 days.

As I was in the midst of a session on
the $1 BP machines, an attendant with a headset and a phone and
clipboard in his hand came up to me and said, "Mark?" I say "Yes?" He
says we want to give you some money. I say sounds good, he verifies my
ID and my slot card and writes up a slip for $15 that I cash at the
cashiers. Maybe this was because I was a first time card holder, kind
of nice, but a little disturbing in hindsight that I was trackable
real-time by a machine in the back room.

I believe that most casinos can find you at any machine if your card
is inserted, it is one way hosts can check on and go say hi to thier
players.

~Mark

Glad you had a resonably good experiance in STL, it isnt vegas, but it
is a nice place to play.

Jim

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <mark_my_words_again@y...> wrote:

Jim. you received 5 responses to your request for help in the Chicago
area, since there was no acknowlegment on your part for receipt of
this help, I assume you forgot about your posting, the following is a
copy of the replies, I hope this helps.
--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stern"
<howard.w.stern@e...> wrote:

One very important note. Harrah's East Chicago is now Resorts not

Harrah's.

I will not check them out until Saturday. if anybody else in this

group

happens to go there, could you please let the group know if the

meager

selection of playable games has changed?

> [Original Message]
> From: jaydavidson118 <jaydavidson118@y...>
> To: <vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 4/26/2005 7:03:21 PM
> Subject: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: Help... Chicago trip
>
>
>
> I would second what Chandler stated below, there is really no
> comparison between Harrah's East Chicago hotel and Trump's dump.
> There is another option, Harrah's Joliet has some good machines

if

> you play at the high $1 level, particularly multiplay dollar,

NSUD,

> 9/6 JOB high 99+% super double and super aces etc. These games
> available on a $1 50 play and I believe 3/5 Play also good

versions

> of super times pay and double pay. The hotel at Harrah's Joliet

is

> quite nice, you should be able to get a suite with the 7s card.
>
> As an aside I saw the largest slot hit I have ever witnessed at
> Joliet a few weeks ago, $500,000 on a $100 machine
>
> --- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "Chandler"
> <omnibibulous1@c...> wrote:
> > A comp at the Trump Hotel (on site, roughly, of MS/Trump boats)

with

> MS play
> > is not too difficult. Don't expect luxurious digs. MS will

also

> comp an
> > off site hotel, though I've forgotten which one. I hear

Harrah's

> EC is
> > currently converting to a Resorts property. Don't know how far
> your 7 Stars
> > will get you there now, but their rooms and facilities are the

best

> NW
> > Indiana option. Horseshoe, now owned by Harrah's, has no

hotel,

> but if you
> > are 7 Stars they may set you up somewhere locally. All of

these

> casinos are
> > within a few minutes drive of each other. In the best of all
> possible
> > worlds you would be staying in East Chicago and playing at

Majestic

> Star.
> >
> > Chandler
> >
> > From: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:vpFREE_Chic…@…com]On Behalf Of jimnkelli
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:04 AM
> > To: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [vpFREE_Chicago] Help… Chicago trip
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Everyone, a friend and I are planning a VP trip to Chicago

6/30

> to
> > 7/3. What is the best combination of place to stay, play and

eat,

> it
> > seems MS has the best games, but no attached Hotel.
> >
> > I am a Harrahs 7* so I can always stay at any of thier

properties,

···

> > -----Original Message-----
> but
> > I like to stay where I play so it is conveinent.
> >
> > thanks for any advice
> > Jim

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jimnkelli" <jbecker11@c...> wrote:

Jim