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Boyd still confusing me

#1

Thanks for some clarification.....

I looked online, Titanium members get an Oceanview Cruise.... wow.... now that is cheap. Emerald gets a cruise, I assume Inside. The chart seems to indicate some sort of cruise benefit for Sapphire, but it doesn’t say what. Cruises must be taken by Dec. 2018...not much time. I do not see where anyone contacts Holland America. Or do you receive this by mail?

I also was assuming 11x points is for VP as well as slots. But I guess I am still confused. 11x is for points only, not tier credit? is that it? $1 in for one slot point, $2 in for one VP point. But tier credit is $5 in for one slot tier “point” and VP is unknown variable for one VP tier. Am I finally understanding or maybe not?

#2

11x is for points only, not tier credit? is that it? $1 in for one slot point, $2 in for one VP point. But tier credit is $5 in for one slot tier “point” and VP is unknown variable for one VP tier. Am I finally understanding or maybe not?

That is all correct based on all the reports I have seen. I think you also understand it better than most of the poor attendants at the B-Conned desks.

Also note that Ruby members are not eligible for any slot points, so 11x0=0 for Ruby’s

#3

VP is not published, but we all pretty much now know via reverse engineering what the countdowns are for B-Connected (Slot Comp/Freeplay Points). 100%+ games - No points for anyone. NSUD $180 per point. 9/6 Jacks varying reports of $108 or $128 per point, 8/5 Bonus Poker $60 per point. Tier Point Theo Countdowns based on perfect play and 2 points = $1 of Theo. From that you can reverse engineer the whole thing for any machine. Note, I would not be surprised if Tier Point Theoreticals are not the same as the theo’s you accumulate in the player rating system for the purposes of discretionary comps or for deciding what mail to send you. They may base your tier on 8/5 Bonus Poker by assuming a 99.17 game payback, but you may still be accumulating ADT based on some higher “typical play” theoretical. Who knows? Eventually some very smart players will all find out everything and reverse engineer how best to get the maximum bang for our gambling dollar. Boyd has really shot themselves in the foot here. The 11x points promotion is for B-Connected Points, not tier points. Thus if you have a Ruby card you get nothing except tier points.

I also was assuming 11x points is for VP as well as slots. But I guess I
am still confused. 11x is for points only, not tier credit? is that it? $1 in for one slot point, $2 in for one VP point. But tier credit is $5 in for one slot tier “point” and VP is unknown variable for one VP
tier. Am I finally understanding or maybe not?

#4

It will help people understand this system better if you use the right terms for the two separate systems. You earn “points” in the “base” system - this is the one where you cash in those points for free play, cash, and comps. Also this is the one where Ruby does not earn points. Rate of earning for slots is $1 = 1 point and for VP $2 coin-in = 1 point.

When you are talking about earning for tiers , you use the term “credits.” Slot players earn 1 tier credit for $5 coin-in. VP does not have a specific # - it is based on what game you play.

I discuss this more in length in my current blog which also has more information in the comments.

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On September 2, 2018 at 2:07 PM “vpbp2…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com> wrote:

VP is not published, but we all pretty much now know via reverse engineering what the countdowns are for B-Connected (Slot Comp/Freeplay Points). 100%+ games - No points for anyone. NSUD $180 per point. 9/6 Jacks varying reports of $108 or $128 per point, 8/5 Bonus Poker $60 per point. Tier Point Theo Countdowns based on perfect play and 2 points = $1 of Theo. From that you can reverse engineer the whole thing for any machine. Note, I would not be surprised if Tier Point Theoreticals are not the same as the theo’s you accumulate in the player rating system for the purposes of discretionary comps or for deciding what mail to send you. They may base your tier on 8/5 Bonus Poker by assuming a 99.17 game payback, but you may still be accumulating ADT based on some higher “typical play” theoretical. Who knows? Eventually some very smart players will all find out everything and reverse engineer how best to get the maximum bang for our gambling dollar. Boyd has really shot themselves in the foot here. The 11x points promotion is for B-Connected Points, not tier points. Thus if you have a Ruby card you get nothing except tier points.

#5

This is the way I understand the point system. The tier points are the card points in the old system and the other points are the comp points or b-connected points.

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It will help people understand this system better if you use the right terms for the two separate systems. You earn “points” in the “base” system - this is the one where you cash in those points for free play, cash, and comps. Also this is the one where
Ruby does not earn points. Rate of earning for slots is $1 = 1 point and for VP $2 coin-in = 1 point.

When you are talking about earning for tiers , you use the term “credits.” Slot players earn 1 tier credit for $5 coin-in. VP does not have a specific # - it is based on what game you play.

I discuss this more in length in my current blog which also has more information in the comments.

On September 2, 2018 at 2:07 PM “vpbp2…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com> wrote:

VP is not published, but we all pretty much now know via reverse engineering what the countdowns are for B-Connected (Slot Comp/Freeplay Points). 100%+ games - No points for anyone. NSUD $180 per point. 9/6 Jacks varying reports of $108 or $128 per
point, 8/5 Bonus Poker $60 per point. Tier Point Theo Countdowns based on perfect play and 2 points = $1 of Theo. From that you can reverse engineer the whole thing for any machine. Note, I would not be surprised if Tier Point Theoreticals are not
the same as the theo’s you accumulate in the player rating system for the purposes of discretionary comps or for deciding what mail to send you. They may base your tier on 8/5 Bonus Poker by assuming a 99.17 game payback, but you may still be accumulating
ADT based on some higher “typical play” theoretical. Who knows? Eventually some very smart players will all find out everything and reverse engineer how best to get the maximum bang for our gambling dollar. Boyd has really shot themselves in the
foot here. The 11x points promotion is for B-Connected Points, not tier points. Thus if you have a Ruby card you get nothing except tier points.

#6

Saying “tier points” only confuses people. Saying “tier credits” will help people differ between the two different parts of this new system.

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On September 3, 2018 at 9:40 AM “ken orgera ken…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com> wrote:

This is the way I understand the point system. The tier points are the card points in the old system and the other points are the comp points or b-connected points.

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From: vpF…@…com <vpF…@…com> on behalf of queenofco…@…net [vpFREE] <vpF…@…com>
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 11:31:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Boyd still confusing me

It will help people understand this system better if you use the right terms for the two separate systems. You earn “points” in the “base” system - this is the one where you cash in those points for free play, cash, and comps. Also this is the one where Ruby does not earn points. Rate of earning for slots is $1 = 1 point and for VP $2 coin-in = 1 point.

When you are talking about earning for tiers , you use the term “credits.” Slot players earn 1 tier credit for $5 coin-in. VP does not have a specific # - it is based on what game you play.

I discuss this more in length in my current blog which also has more information in the comments.

On September 2, 2018 at 2:07 PM “vpbp2…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com> wrote:

VP is not published, but we all pretty much now know via reverse engineering what the countdowns are for B-Connected (Slot Comp/Freeplay Points). 100%+ games - No points for anyone. NSUD $180 per point. 9/6 Jacks varying reports of $108 or $128 per point, 8/5 Bonus Poker $60 per point. Tier Point Theo Countdowns based on perfect play and 2 points = $1 of Theo. From that you can reverse engineer the whole thing for any machine. Note, I would not be surprised if Tier Point Theoreticals are not the same as the theo’s you accumulate in the player rating system for the purposes of discretionary comps or for deciding what mail to send you. They may base your tier on 8/5 Bonus Poker by assuming a 99.17 game payback, but you may still be accumulating ADT based on some higher “typical play” theoretical. Who knows? Eventually some very smart players will all find out everything and reverse engineer how best to get the maximum bang for our gambling dollar. Boyd has really shot themselves in the foot here. The 11x points promotion is for B-Connected Points, not tier points. Thus if you have a Ruby card you get nothing except tier points.