I am very disappointed that the "BOUNCE BACK" data base has been
eliminated.
This is a VEY important part of the income that many locals derive and
I feel that a special directory should exist.
vpFREE has eliminated this due to lack of interest and I do not know
if vpMAIL ever had it.
I, personally volunteer to contribute whatever info I have and if
enough of you agree, perhaps Tom or Skip will reinstitute it.
Please voice your feelings.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Elliott L. Shapiro <elliotts2345@e...>
wrote:
I am very disappointed that the "BOUNCE BACK" data base has been
eliminated.This is a VEY important part of the income that many locals derive and
I feel that a special directory should exist.vpFREE has eliminated this due to lack of interest and I do not know
if vpMAIL ever had it.I, personally volunteer to contribute whatever info I have and if
enough of you agree, perhaps Tom or Skip will reinstitute it.Please voice your feelings.
totally agree that it is very valuable info...my impression is that it
will be updated with any member provided info, but the admin isn't
claiming 100% accuracy...
It would be IMPOSSIBLE to keep an extremely reliable BB list. Marketing in many casinos are fiddling with the numbers CONSTANTLY. I probably study this subject as much as most any other player - and more than most players. I have the ear of many marketing people. But I still can't give advice in many cases to the oodles of people who ask me. The bounce-back we get varies every month - and most of the time I don't even know why - or how to change my play for the next month.
Advantage play is not an exact science.
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Frugal series of books. Now is the time you might
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It would be IMPOSSIBLE to keep an extremely reliable BB list.
Marketing in
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <QueenofComps@f...> wrote:
many casinos are fiddling with the numbers CONSTANTLY. >
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I've about given up trying to figure bounceback for GVR. I've played
anywhere from 222,536 POINTS to 429,588 POINTS. The amount of money
gained going up 200k a month is NOT worth the play. I can also say
that the bounceback has been reduced too! I've been trying for most of
the year to figure out where's the best place to be. If I ran around
town trying for all the different promos I'd be going crazy.
Go to any other station. vpFREE has a list of criteria and rewards.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:15:14 -0000, you wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <QueenofComps@f...> wrote:
It would be IMPOSSIBLE to keep an extremely reliable BB list.
Marketing in
many casinos are fiddling with the numbers CONSTANTLY. >
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I've about given up trying to figure bounceback for GVR. I've played
anywhere from 222,536 POINTS to 429,588 POINTS. The amount of money
gained going up 200k a month is NOT worth the play. I can also say
that the bounceback has been reduced too! I've been trying for most of
the year to figure out where's the best place to be. If I ran around
town trying for all the different promos I'd be going crazy.vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
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<<i.e.: Play Tuscany $4000 one session. You should get 4x $40 for one
month, 4x $15 for nor month and then 4 X $5 for one month.
Then play $4000 in one session and the schedule "should" repeat
itself. That's very VALUABLE info that no one thinks of.>>
The above might or might not work for awhile - but I know marketing there is fiddling with their formulas every month, and they are requiring more play now than in the past. It may depend on whether you play only 100% machines. So if the above was put in a list, a note should be put with this that this is something you could try but it might not work. I know several people who have been playing more than that once a month and didn't get any mailer in April.
The only BB I can depend on is Cannery and EI. Rampart uses a theo so if you switch machines much, it is not easy to know exact requirements. Westin is definitely in major flux in their marketing. We play the same every month at the HR - but FP amount fluctuates. NYNY is extremely spotty for locals. Venetian is spotty. Palms and Harrahs- both definitely too complex to figure out.
I don't play at Stations or Coasts any more but I think you can know their requirements
Palms, Westin, Coast, and NYNY are making specific efforts to weed out advantage players. Maybe others I don't know about.
________________________________________
Jean $�ott - Go to http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
for VP software and strategy cards and for the
Frugal series of books. Now is the time you might
need "Tax Help for the Frugal Gambler."
I am very disappointed that the "BOUNCE BACK" data base has been
eliminated.>
Please voice your feelings.
Me too,Elliott. My personal new years resolution for this year was to
expand our list of places to play to increase our bounceback. As an
everyday player here, you know that the available opportunities are in a
shrinking mode, especially for quarter players. Anyway, I thought that I
knew that when I stopped procrastinating about expanding my playing
horizons, so to speak, I would have the compiled information on this page to
aid me in said expansion. Beginning in Feb., I was surprised to find that
my puter link to the page did not work. So much for that idea. Let me tell
you what I factually know. On Jan.3, 2005, the administrator posted his
monthly notification in msg. # 38226 that the locals mailers page was
available to the membership and information contributions were welcome.
Leads me to believe that this resource is a good thing, right? On Feb. 11,
2005, in msg. # 39882, the administrator, in answering a question from a
member about a site that offers cashback information, says that vpFREE is no
longer updating the page on bounceback cash. On Feb. 12, 2005, the
administrator makes an official announcement that this page has been
discontinued. Summary so far, on Jan. 3, bounceback page is a good thing,
and on Feb. 12, bounceback page is a bad thing. I decided to ask the
administrator why he had a change of heart, and the reasons that were given
to me were that it was a lot of updating work and that he was only using his
own personal play figures and was getting very little input from other local
vpFREE members. I totally understood this, but there was one thing that
bothered me. When the page in question was up and available, it had maybe
10, 12, or 15 casinos on it that were local friendly, so to speak. When the
page was taken down, every individual casino database page that was on that
list was modified to remove all of the information regarding bounceback that
had taken the administrator months to assemble and put up in the first
place. Here's my big question. If one decides to stop doing a task that is
too much work, why in the process of stopping the work would you purposely
cause yourself more work? As I previously stated, I can understand the
stoppage, if it is too much work, fine, just stop doing the work. But, to
have to go in manually to each page and remove information that took so much
effort. What was the reason for this? If I were in charge, I would
certainly have been quite proud of the good information that I had collected
to date that would help so many of the members. No way would I go in and
remove it. I will most probably never know the real reason for this change,
I can only speculate. However, in my 30 years in sales and negotiating, I
seemed to have picked up a fairly good knack for reading people, so others
have told me. So as no to violate any of the vpFREE bylaws, I will not offer
up my own opinion as to what I really think happened. I will say this
though. It would appear that the vpFREE mission statement philosophy is
that they want us all to be smarter video poker players, just not too smart.
Speaking of policy, those of you searching the archive might be interested
in msg. # 39748 from Feb. 7, that made the Sunshine Policy into a Partly
Cloudy Policy. No top democrat or republican could have not said anything
better. It kind of made me think of our nation's Sunshine Law, or what is
technically known as the FOIA-- Freedom Of Information Act that was passed
in the late 1960's. Anyone who has seen the percentage of information that
our government is currently releasing to it's residents will get this.
Nudge
From: "Elliott L. Shapiro" <elliotts2345@earthlink.net>
Subject: [vpFREE] Bounce Back
If I were in charge,
Well then open your own website and run it the way you see fit. Tom
does an amazing job providing a free resource. Since you obviously
feel that you would do a much better job than sneaky old Tom, go for
it!
<<No way would I go in and
remove it. I will most probably never know the real reason for this change,
I can only speculate. >>
I imagine that he would rather have no information at all on a subject than inaccurate information.
________________________________________
Jean $�ott - Go to http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
for VP software and strategy cards and for the
Frugal series of books. Now is the time you might
need "Tax Help for the Frugal Gambler."
Perhaps the info may be inaccurate, but we would have a clue that a
perticular casino has BB. As it is now, I don't have a clue about
many of them.
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:41:58 -0700, you wrote:
<<No way would I go in and
remove it. I will most probably never know the real reason for this change,
I can only speculate. >>I imagine that he would rather have no information at all on a subject than
inaccurate information.
________________________________________
Jean $¢ott - Go to http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
for VP software and strategy cards and for the
Frugal series of books. Now is the time you might
need "Tax Help for the Frugal Gambler."vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
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