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Borgata and Bob Dancer

#1

However, that being said, with regards to Bob Dancer -- I firmly
believe that if what he had to say was really a formula for success
at VP, that the Borgata wouldn't be presenting him in an official
capacity.

*shrug* My opinion only, of course, but there it is.

I thought the same thing at first. It was like a guest speaker at Sing-Sing
Prison giving a lecture on how to escape.

The reality is most of the people attending will not have the patience to
improve their game enough to make them a threat. He only teaches strategy
which you can get off of a card but he does it well.

Believe me if they did.. Dancer would be history.

Ralph

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#2

The reality is most of the people attending will not have the patience to
improve their game enough to make them a threat. He only teaches strategy
which you can get off of a card but he does it well.

Believe me if they did.. Dancer would be history.

It's not just that. Even at 9/6 JoB, with the Borg's lame cashback and comps on those machines, they're still negative -- at best, breakeven. That's if you play "perfect strategy" and count everything that the Borg throws at you in value, you're still on the negative side of the theoretical "long run."

Throw in the fact that most people are not adequately bankrolled to play at the level that they are playing at, and the fact that after a few cocktails, most people's strategy tends to slip... it goes down from there.

Therefore, no matter what Bob might say at the Borg, an no matter what people might take away from those seminars, it's not going to matter one whit to the Borgata's drop.

#3

Throw in the fact that most people are not adequately bankrolled to
play at the level that they are playing at, and the fact that after

a few cocktails, most people's strategy tends to slip... it goes down
from there.

Therefore, no matter what Bob might say at the Borg, an no matter
what people might take away from those seminars, it's not going to
matter one whit to the Borgata's drop.

I was at Borgata a few hours ago. One of the busiest days I've seen
there BTW. I was playing $2 JOB in the high limit area and a woman was
playing DDJ one seat over on the $5 machine. She dropped a couple of
hundred in 5-10 minutes and then got two jokers and the ten,jack,queen
of clubs. Bells go off. "What happened?" she says out loud while
staring at her hand. Not a clue. Finally they (she had a friend) see
"$2500 payoff, call attendent" "Oh my God! she screams" I don't think
she ever figured out what her hand was.

#4

.......I was playing $2 JOB in the high limit area and a woman was
playing DDJ one seat over on the $5 machine. She dropped a couple
of hundred in 5-10 minutes and then got two jokers and the
ten,jack,queen of clubs. Bells go off. "What happened?" she says out
loud while staring at her hand. Not a clue. Finally they (she had a
friend) see "$2500 payoff, call attendent" "Oh my God! she screams"
I don't think she ever figured out what her hand was.....

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "chiefvrwc" <chiefvrwc@c...> wrote:

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Hi Chief,

I'm glad you're back posting again!

The woman who scored the joker royal probably went directly to the
high limit area, from BD's DJ lesson. It wasn't her fault, however,
as she snoozed during the discussion of JR holds! (-:

Babe

#5

John Thomas <jfthomas3@c...> wrote:

Even at 9/6 JoB, with the Borg's lame cashback and comps on those
machines, they're still negative [snip]
Throw in the fact that most people are not adequately bankrolled to
play at the level that they are playing at...

How negative the machines are is unaffected by whether most people
are adequately bankrolled. It's a common misconception, & I think
it's interesting to see the flaw in that line of thinking. Most
people talk as if the casino's profit rate has something to do with
the fact that players don't have the bankroll to outlast losing
streaks. This isn't the case.

Assuming for simplicity that everyone plays 9/6 JOB near perfectly,
such that the casino's edge is .5%. The profit will simply be .5%
times the dollar amount put through the machine, & the player's
bankrolls don't enter into the equation. The casino WANTS players to
be as highly bankrolled as possible, so that they'll play as long as
possible, increasing the casino's overall profits.

If every player at these machines had a $20 bankroll, or if everyone
had a $1 million bankroll... it doesn't matter in the least to the
casino, as long as the machines are constantly being played by
SOMEONE.

The idea that inadequate player bankrolls help the casino is the
same
sort of logical mistake as thinking that it helps the player to quit
after a big win. In fact, when anyone starts playing or stops
playing
never has the slightest effect on the overall expectation that the
casino (over the long term & for all players) will get collectively
from the players .5% (based on the assumption) times the total
amount
bet.

Stuart (RandomStu)
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/mypage.htm