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Bob Dancer's LVA - 5 AUG 2014

Bob, I understand your entire article except for the part that having an active line of credit helps. I was told that having casino credit is only for stiffs and suckers. I am neither, I am a gambler (these 3 catagories however are not mutually exclusive). Two players play once a week. Player A has casino credit, Player B does not. Both players put through the same amount of money each week on the same machine. Player A uses casino credit, Player B uses his own money. If I were a casino manager I would give more to Player B. Even if Player A is not a stiff (Player B can't be a stiff) Player A is given an interest free loan, Player B is not. Now I know an interest free loan is not worth much these days but it is worth something. In addition there are extra booking costs associated with Player A. I was also told by someone that worked in casino credit that the casino pays more attention to credit players. To make sure the credit player pays whatever he has on him up to the amount of the extended credit. Thanks, Bob.

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I have been using casino credit in many locales including a number of casinos in Las Vegas for a lot of years.

Casino credit should be handled the same as any other type of credit. In the hands of a well disciplined player a line of credit is a great convenience. You don’t have to make large withdrawals from your bank before a trip, you don’t have to worry about carrying around large amounts of cash. I am a great fan of casino credit. I always pay off my marker when I finish playing at the casino, if I’m up I pay in cash, otherwise I write a check. Some people wait for a bill in the mail.

As with a regular credit card, some people will get in trouble by using casino credit. I would never say that it is for stiffs or suckers.

I would say that you must be highly disciplined with your gambling

to be able to handle it.

In all my years of playing I have
never found that my treatment at a casino has changed from when I played with cash or used a credit line. I normally do not apply for a line of credit at a casino until I have played there a few times and decide to put that casino on my “A” list.

Regards

A.P.

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From: “Nordo…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:30:48 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer’s LVA - 5 AUG 2014

Bob, I understand your entire article except for the part that having an active line of credit helps. I was told that having casino credit is only for stiffs and suckers. I am neither, I am a gambler (these 3 catagories however are not mutually exclusive). Two players play once a week. Player A has casino credit, Player B does not. Both players put through the same amount of money each week on the same machine. Player A uses casino credit, Player B uses his own money. If I were a casino manager I would give more to Player B. Even if Player A is not a stiff (Player B can’t be a stiff) Player A is given an interest free loan, Player B is not. Now I know an interest free loan is not worth much these days but it is worth something. In addition there are extra booking costs associated with Player A. I was also told by someone that worked in casino credit that the casino pays more attention to credit players. To make sure the credit player pays
whatever he has on him up to the amount of the extended credit. Thanks, Bob.

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It’s simple.

Lines of credit increase the casino’s handle.

Casinos aren’t afraid of making a risk volume/Ev decision.

It’s no different than a credit card.

If they take your action, why not take twice your action?

For the player, it eliminates walking through the
lot

with a wad of 100s.

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On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:11 PM, “Albert Pearson eh…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com> wrote:

I have been using casino credit in many locales including a number of casinos in Las Vegas for a lot of years.

Casino credit should be handled the same as any other type of credit. In the hands of a well disciplined player a line of credit is a great convenience. You don’t have to make large withdrawals from your bank before a trip, you don’t have to worry about carrying around large amounts of cash. I am a great fan of casino credit. I always pay off my marker when I finish playing at the casino, if I’m up I pay in cash, otherwise I write a check. Some people wait for a bill in the mail.

As with a regular credit card, some people will get in trouble by using casino credit. I would never say that it is for stiffs or suckers.

I would say that you must be highly disciplined with your gambling

to be able to handle it.

In
all my years of playing I have
never found that my treatment at a casino has changed from when I played with cash or used a credit line. I normally do not apply for a line of credit at a casino until I have played there a few times and decide to put that casino on my “A” list.

Regards

A.P.

From: “Nordo…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com>
To: “vpF…@…com” <vpF…@…com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:30:48 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer’s LVA - 5 AUG 2014

Bob, I understand your entire article except for the part that having an active line of credit helps. I was told that having casino credit is only for stiffs and suckers. I am neither, I am a gambler (these 3 catagories however are not mutually exclusive). Two players play once a week. Player A has casino credit, Player B does not. Both players put through the same amount of money each week on the same machine. Player A uses casino credit, Player B uses his own money. If I were a casino manager I would give more to Player B. Even if Player A is not a stiff (Player B can’t be a stiff) Player A is given an interest free loan, Player B is not. Now I know an interest free loan is not worth much these days but it is worth something. In addition there are extra booking costs associated with Player A. I was also told by someone that worked in casino credit that the casino pays more attention to credit players. To make sure the credit player pays
whatever he has on him up to the amount of the extended credit. Thanks, Bob.

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I agree with AP (Albert Pearson, not “advantage player”) regarding casino credit (markers). Also, I believe Max Rubin recommended its use in his seminal book.

Roach

It might be better to think of it as a charge card (like a regular AmEx) than a credit card.

You don’t want to carry a balance on it. Pay off your marker before the end of your trip or be prepared to pay it off when the bill comes / when they cash the check.

For budgeting purposes, I treat my credit line like cash. Even though my credit line may be higher, I only get a marker for as much as I actually have in my gaming account at the time (or will have within a few days of getting the marker).

I used to have a lot of credit lines around Las Vegas - sometimes setting them up for a specific trip as a convenient way to access my bankroll without bringing cash and then never using them again. Now I just have a few at my main hangouts.

I don’t recall seeing my casino credit accounts on my credit report, so I’m not sure whether it has a direct effect on my credit score or not.

Take Care,

Mark

Mark’s Las Vegas

http://markslasvegas.markanduss.com/