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Bob Dancer's LVA - 31 MAR 2015

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All this arguing about whether ATsuited is a hold in 9-6 JOB? I truly saw the worst vp player in the world the other day. He looked like a bum off the street (typical gambler). He puts in his card, lo and behold this guy is 7stars. He checks out all the games on this IGT. After much deliberation he settles in on 9-5 JOB. Not the worst game on this machine but not the best. Puts in some money and bets 1 coin at a time. He is by far the slowest player I have ever seen playing video poker. How in the world did this player ever make 7stars? I will tell you how - a hand comes up of 10-8-7-5-3 of mixed suits with no 3CSF. He goes into tank mode for about 2 minutes. He finally draws 1 card to 10-8-7-5. He comits vp suicide, he draws to a hand that must end up a loser (there are 6 such "draws" on this hand including the no card draw). My guess - some high up suit must have seen his plays in the past and felt this guy is so valuable that we can't have his action go elsewhere and made him 7stars. The problem is this guy plays so slow that he rates to lose "only" about $5 per hour. Any other story from anyone out there?

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You think this player was a 7* "pity" qualifier? Seems doubtful. More likely he's with a rel who has him play on his card.

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All this arguing about whether ATsuited is a hold in 9-6 JOB? I truly saw the worst vp player in the world the other day. He looked like a bum off the street (typical gambler). He puts in his card, lo and behold this guy is 7stars. He checks out all the games on this IGT. After much deliberation he settles in on 9-5 JOB. Not the worst game on this machine but not the best. Puts in some money and bets 1 coin at a time. He is by far the slowest player I have ever seen playing video poker. How in the world did this player ever make 7stars? I will tell you how - a hand comes up of 10-8-7-5-3 of mixed suits with no 3CSF. He goes into tank mode for about 2 minutes. He finally draws 1 card to 10-8-7-5. He comits vp suicide, he draws to a hand that must end up a loser (there are 6 such "draws" on this hand including the no card draw). My guess - some high up suit must have seen his plays in the past and felt this guy is so valuable that we can't have his action go elsewhere and made him 7stars. The problem is this guy plays so slow that he rates to lose "only" about $5 per hour. Any other story from anyone out there?

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saysitsme wrote: "My guess - some high up suit must have seen his plays in the past and felt this guy is so valuable that we can't have his action go elsewhere and made him 7stars. The problem is this guy plays so slow that he rates to lose "only" about $5 per hour."

A lot of casino execs today don't understand the significance of coin-in, they are hotel execs, they don't understand casinos. Harrah's in particular rates players by time on the machine, so this gambler you mentioned was probably just doing a freeplay offer while minimizing the hit to trip average, by getting a great play rating for playing bad and putting in time on a machine. So this gambler loses $5/hour gambling, but obviously the 7-stars card is worth a lot more than that, plus free drinks plus promos at non-Harrah's casinos just for flashing a 7-stars card. "Advantage gambling" is kind of a misnomer, the true advantage play is to gamble as little as possible while hustling as many benefits as possible. That's the mistake casinos are making, the customer is incentivized to gamble as little as possible and instead spend most of their time consuming free handouts at the expense of the casino.

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