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Bob Dancer's LVA - 29 JUL 2014

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"Bob Dancer" bobdancerlasvegas
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  wrote (snip):

I am not talking about Paymar's Optimum Play strategies. Those changed regularly with each edition of his book --- and every time he swore that his latest strategy was the best possible for players to use. I was talking about perfect strategy. That has not changed.

Anybody who still uses WinPoker (including me) is using a program that hasn't been altered in 15 years or so (other than adapting to newer versions of Windows). It worked well 15 years ago. It works well today.

My post did not refer to Bob or his publications at all, yet he could not resist taking another jab at me. As usual, Bob makes unsubstantiated claims about my work. I would like him to point out specifics that he refers to and how they affect expected return for players who are not as perfect as he.

Yes, back in the early days of video poker strategies (through the mid 90's) published strategies improved as the methods of generating those strategies were refined. Yet looking back at my early strategies, they were generally within 0.02% of perfect play as advertised, and most were within 0.01%. The first strategy that I published for Jacks or Better evaluates to closer than 0.01% of perfect play. I have never promoted "perfect play" and never will because for the vast majority of players, an optimized strategy will yield the best expected return.

By "optimized" I mean that some decisions that occur infrequently and have very small difference in EV are simplified. Making those decisions "perfect" makes the strategy much more complex, thus slowing down most players and causing inadvertent deviations from the strategy and costing more that the optimization.

Then Bob brags that Winpoker hasn't changed in 15 years. Is a stagnant product really something to brag about in a changing world? Sure, it still works as it did 15 years ago, but during that time Optimum Video Poker has had many improvements and innovative new features. OpVP is the only program that actually trains the user to play accurately according to the strategy chart of his/her choice.

Dan

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Dan Paymar, developer of "Optimum Video Poker" software
Visit my web site at http://www.OptimumPlay.com
"Chance favors the prepared mind" ~ Louis Pasteur

#2

Bob never misses a chance to zing you on your product, and you never miss a chance to promote it.

Two pros in a p_____g contest.

P.S.

Be on the lookout for my upcoming book “Being retired for fun and Profit” . This will be followed by the sequel “Retirement, finally a job I am REALLY good at” :sunglasses:

Just saying

A.P.

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From: “Dan Paymar …@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com>
To: vpF…@…com
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:45:29 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer’s LVA - 29 JUL 2014

     "Bob Dancer" bobdancerlasvegas

wrote (snip):

  I am not talking about Paymar's Optimum Play

strategies. Those changed regularly with each edition of his book
— and every time he swore that his latest strategy was the best
possible for players to use. I was talking about perfect strategy.
That has not changed.

  Anybody who still uses WinPoker (including me) is using a program

that hasn’t been altered in 15 years or so (other than adapting to
newer versions of Windows). It worked well 15 years ago. It works
well today.
My post did not refer to Bob or his publications at all, yet he
could not resist taking another jab at me. As usual, Bob makes
unsubstantiated claims about my work. I would like him to point out
specifics that he refers to and how they affect expected return for
players who are not as perfect as he.

Yes, back in the early days of video poker strategies (through the

mid 90’s) published strategies improved as the methods of generating
those strategies were refined. Yet looking back at my early
strategies, they were generally within 0.02% of perfect play as
advertised, and most were within 0.01%. The first strategy that I
published for Jacks or Better evaluates to closer than 0.01% of
perfect play. I have never promoted “perfect play” and never will
because for the vast majority of players, an optimized strategy will
yield the best expected return.

By "optimized" I mean that some decisions that occur infrequently

and have very small difference in EV are simplified. Making those
decisions “perfect” makes the strategy much more complex, thus
slowing down most players and causing inadvertent deviations from
the strategy and costing more that the optimization.

Then Bob brags that Winpoker hasn't changed in 15 years. Is a

stagnant product really something to brag about in a changing world?
Sure, it still works as it did 15 years ago, but during that time
Optimum Video Poker has had many improvements and innovative new
features. OpVP is the only program that actually trains the user to
play accurately according to the strategy chart of his/her choice.

Dan

-- Dan Paymar, developer of "Optimum Video Poker" software
Visit my web site at [http://www.optimumplay.com/](http://www.optimumplay.com/)
"Chance favors the prepared mind" ~ Louis Pasteur
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Will this program run on iPad Air? Is there an app? Do any VP programs?