Nice article Bob. I can think of 3 reasons "George" should play 9/6 JOB over 9/7 DB: 1) you pointed out the obvious reason - he loses less money. 2) you suspect he is a poor player that makes mistakes - surely the cost of his errors is much more in DB than in the super simple JOB. 3) depending on his age every W2G is a killer (Medicare and Social Security). You are dealt 4 Aces every 54,145 original hands. In DB he would get a $2,000 W2G. In JOB no W2G.
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Nordo wrote: Nice article Bob. I can think of 3 reasons "George" should play 9/6 JOB
over 9/7 DB: 1) you pointed out the obvious reason - he loses less
money. 2) you suspect he is a poor player that makes mistakes - surely
the cost of his errors is much more in DB than in the super simple JOB.
3) depending on his age every W2G is a killer (Medicare and Social
Security). You are dealt 4 Aces every 54,145 original hands. In DB he
would get a $2,000 W2G. In JOB no W2G.
Thank you.
Insofar as George's skill level, he's actually a synthesis of three different players so it's hard to come up with one "on a scale of 1 to 10, how good is he" kind of score. I think what I said is that when he gets tired or is losing, his skill level probably suffers. I think that is true for many players, and it isn't often addressed. All of us play better when we are fresh and alert. Being successful often depends on how good we are when we're not so fresh and alert. And keeping our skill level up no matter if we're ahead or behind.
Perhaps surprisingly, you actually get less in W2Gs in DB than you do in JoB because of the differences in the royal cycle. In JoB the royal cycle is 40K hands. In DB, it's 48K hands. Let's take 48K dealt hands --- which means 480K individual hands because we're talking Ten Play. During that interval you average 12 JoB royals ($48K) and only 10 DB royals ($40K). The $8K difference in W2Gs for royals swamps the less than $2K in W2Gs for dealt aces.
Bob
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Re W2G's for Royals, Bob has forgotten that he was using 25 Cent 10 play not dollar 10 play in his example, and W2G's would only be issued on multiple hits which are on the rare side, and if you were analyzing dollars you'd have to allow for multiple hits on dollar quads as well.
A.P.
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Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LVA - 17 FEB 2015
Nordo wrote: Nice article Bob. I can think of 3 reasons "George" should play 9/6 JOB
over 9/7 DB: 1) you pointed out the obvious reason - he loses less
money. 2) you suspect he is a poor player that makes mistakes - surely
the cost of his errors is much more in DB than in the super simple JOB.
3) depending on his age every W2G is a killer (Medicare and Social
Security). You are dealt 4 Aces every 54,145 original hands. In DB he
would get a $2,000 W2G. In JOB no W2G.
Thank you.
Insofar as George's skill level, he's actually a synthesis of three different players so it's hard to come up with one "on a scale of 1 to 10, how good is he" kind of score. I think what I said is that when he gets tired or is losing, his skill level probably suffers. I think that is true for many players, and it isn't often addressed. All of us play better when we are fresh and alert. Being successful often depends on how good we are when we're not so fresh and alert. And keeping our skill level up no matter if we're ahead or behind.
Perhaps surprisingly, you actually get less in W2Gs in DB than you do in JoB because of the differences in the royal cycle. In JoB the royal cycle is 40K hands. In DB, it's 48K hands. Let's take 48K dealt hands --- which means 480K individual hands because we're talking Ten Play. During that interval you average 12 JoB royals ($48K) and only 10 DB royals ($40K). The $8K difference in W2Gs for royals swamps the less than $2K in W2Gs for dealt aces.
Bob
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I wrote: Perhaps surprisingly, you actually get less in W2Gs in DB than you do in
JoB because of the differences in the royal cycle. In JoB the royal
cycle is 40K hands. In DB, it's 48K hands. Let's take 48K dealt hands
--- which means 480K individual hands because we're talking Ten Play.
During that interval you average 12 JoB royals ($48K) and only 10 DB
royals ($40K). The $8K difference in W2Gs for royals swamps the less
than $2K in W2Gs for dealt aces.
I goofed and would rather correct myself than have others notice it first.
I inadvertently mixed up the stakes a bit here. In 48K dealt hands of quarter Ten Play (480K total hands), the 12 JoB royals return $12K, not $48K. The 10 DB royals return $10K, not $40K. This difference of $2K is slightly more than the W2G for dealt aces (48K/54K * $2K). So while JoB on this game does have more W2Gs, it's pretty close.
For higher stakes DB creates considerably more in W2Gs, but for quarter Ten Play, JoB does.
Bob
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Like I said you would only get a W2G if you got multiple hits on a draw to a Royal. Twelve individual hits at 1k each does not produce a W2G.
A.P.
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Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 10:03 AM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LVA - 17 FEB 2015
I wrote: Perhaps surprisingly, you actually get less in W2Gs in DB than you do in
JoB because of the differences in the royal cycle. In JoB the royal
cycle is 40K hands. In DB, it's 48K hands. Let's take 48K dealt hands
--- which means 480K individual hands because we're talking Ten Play.
During that interval you average 12 JoB royals ($48K) and only 10 DB
royals ($40K). The $8K difference in W2Gs for royals swamps the less
than $2K in W2Gs for dealt aces.
I goofed and would rather correct myself than have others notice it first.
I inadvertently mixed up the stakes a bit here. In 48K dealt hands of quarter Ten Play (480K total hands), the 12 JoB royals return $12K, not $48K. The 10 DB royals return $10K, not $40K. This difference of $2K is slightly more than the W2G for dealt aces (48K/54K * $2K). So while JoB on this game does have more W2Gs, it's pretty close.
For higher stakes DB creates considerably more in W2Gs, but for quarter Ten Play, JoB does.
Bob
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AP wrote: Like I said you would only get a W2G if you got multiple hits on a draw
to a Royal. Twelve individual hits at 1k each does not produce a W2G.
Correct. My mistake. Sorry
Bob
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