Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 25 JAN 2011

[JZ1]

Vegasvpplayer,

What kind of threat did Bob make? If you play, I'll play too? You have to stretch that one pretty far to call it a threat.

I see 2 gamblers going after a prize and each one letting the other one know what their intentions are. They are both going after a prize that only one person can win. Each dollar they are wagering is being wagered fully factoring in the possible first place payoff.

I had a situation a long time ago that has some similarity. There was a drawing and I had some tickets in the drum. Another player was doing the accordian trick with his tickets. The tickets clearly stated that any alteration or mutilation of the ticket invalidated the entry. I told him if he won, I would take the issue to the GCB and let them rule on it. He took that as a threat. I took it as we are both competing for the same prize and if you are going to do something to give you an unfair advantage, I am going to challenge. No threat, just a statement of intention. As it turns out, he got picked, I went to gaming and they ruled that folding a ticket up to increase its chance of being picked is not altering a ticket.

Now, in Bob and Joyce's situation, there wasn't any question of their actions being legal, but I still don't see any threat.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:

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> <<So I drove over to the M and spoke quietly with Joyce. I told her that if she continued to play, so would I. I told her that I was prepared to start playing again to "protect" my position and that I didn't believe it was possible for her to win. >>
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Assuming Bob did this in a monitored area of the casino, I wonder what management's response would have been if the lady had gone to them and said Bob was making threats toward her and she felt she was being harrassed in their casino.

[Vegasvpplayer]

I don't think casino management would appreciate Bob telling customers they should stop playing in their casino because they can't win. Assuming management knows Bob's identity, I'm sure they would love any excuse to stop him from playing at their casino. If reported, this incident might have given them sufficient cause. Bob should have spoke with his actions, not his words. He should have continued to play and kept quiet.

     While often critical of Bob's methods, I do enjoy reading his articles. I'm amazed at his honesty and willingness to recount stories that often shed himself in an unfavorable light.

     I remember one story where he told of tricking "a friend" into thinking the qualifying period for a drawing period started later than it actually did so he could draw more earning tickets.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "johnnyzee48127" <greeklandjohnny@...> wrote:

What kind of threat did Bob make? If you play, I'll play too? You have to stretch that one pretty far to call it a threat.

[fivespot]

i wouldn't be sure of that at all. on the contrary, he gets away with
stuff that none of the rest of us could manage. an example:

bob dancer was one of the players who got rounded up and rudely 86'd
during the double royals fiasco at jerry's nugget. (i escaped the
purge, since i avoided the horde of blatant APs and played a bank a
couple tenths worse.) they didn't realize who they were dealing with
at the time, but found out soon afterwards.

i overheard a couple of suits talking about it the next week. they
were flipping out about the potential bad publicity that would come
from having 86'd dancer, of getting bad press in his LVRJ column, of
having someone who is listened to by many other VP players speak
poorly of them, and were talking about ways to backpedal.

i don't know how they ended up resolving it, but it was clear that
having treated a couple dozen other APs like crap didn't bother them
at all, but they were worried about the fallout from mistreating
dancer.

(yes, i was surprised that the suits were having this discussion on
the casino floor, directly behind a player. but we've already
established that jerry's nugget does not have the sharpest knives in
the drawer.)

any casino that didn't want dancer playing there could just revoke his
player's card and bar him from promotions. they don't have to give a
reason, god knows they don't to most players they decide they don't
like. instead, they go out of their way to keep him happy. the jerry's
nugget thing is just one example, but i won't mention my other example
since it would identify me.

it's an interesting angle on his part. i wonder if it was his intent
from the start, or if it was just a pleasant side effect of his
classes and column and other publicity-seeking endeavors.

cheers,

five

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On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:50 AM, vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't think casino management would appreciate Bob telling customers they should stop playing in their casino because they can't win\.  Assuming management knows Bob's identity, I'm sure they would love any excuse to stop him from playing at their casino\.

[JZ1]

Okay, now I understand your position. It isn't that Bob is threatening Joyce, it's that Bob's action might cause a lower gaming handle for the casino.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "johnnyzee48127" <greeklandjohnny@> wrote:

> What kind of threat did Bob make? If you play, I'll play too? You have to stretch that one pretty far to call it a threat.
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     I don't think casino management would appreciate Bob telling customers they should stop playing in their casino because they can't win.

[ohiodi50]

Let's see....what about when he consulted casinos and FPDW were taken out and replaced with BOB DANCER DUECES with that grat pay scale. LOL

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, fivespot <fivespot55@...> wrote:

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:50 AM, vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
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i wouldn't be sure of that at all. on the contrary, he gets away with
stuff that none of the rest of us could manage. an example:

it's an interesting angle on his part. i wonder if it was his intent
from the start, or if it was just a pleasant side effect of his
classes and column and other publicity-seeking endeavors.

cheers,

five