Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 19 NOV 2013
Sometimes I Prefer Unfair Games
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The last portion of this week’s column should tell you everything you need to know about Bob Dancer.
You might have respect for his knowledge of video poker, but if you had any modicum of personal respect for him remaining at this point, I certainly hope that, at long last, you have seen the light.
I have always found the members of this group that I have come in contact with to be classy and honorable people. Those are the very last words I would use to describe this guy.
—In vpF…@…com, <vpfree3355@…> wrote:
Bob Dancer’s LV Advisor Column - 19 NOV 2013
Sometimes I Prefer Unfair Games
http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2013/1119.cfm
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rgj21@cox.net wrote:
The last portion of this week's column should tell you everything you need to know about Bob Dancer.
You might have respect for his knowledge of video poker, but if you had any modicum of personal respect for him remaining at this point, I certainly hope that, at long last, you have seen the light.
I have always found the members of this group that I have come in contact with to be classy and honorable people. Those are the very last words I would use to describe this guy.
A long time ago, in an Internet conversation, I said that everyone
lies. The person with whom I was having the conversation was so
offended that he said he was sorry that duels were out of fashion.
Partly spurred on by the impending anniversary, I've been reading some
books by Vince Bugliosi, who agrees with me that the greatest liar is
the one who says he never lies. Deception is an inherent aspect of
competition.
I will back up Bob 100% on his “everyone lies” statement. I work with the public for an airline.
I run across people that “lie” almost everyday. Here’s any example: When all our regular priced
seats are gone–people are put on the “I need a seat list” and we give out the seats that are left
over upstaires at boarding–usually about the time we start to board so we can offer to sell those
seats as long as possible. The other day a genteman came up to me and didn’t have a seat so
I explained the whole procedure to him (he didn’t travel much) and ended by telling him we’d make
an announcement at boarding for those that didn’t have seats. He left and headed to the gate. So
did I by another route. Once up there–he approached me and told me that "the girl downstaires said
I should ask and I could get a seat". I told him that I was that girl downstaires and that he’d have to
wait and we’d call him up–just like I told him previously. He kept looking at me–to bad he didn’t have
a better memory for faces! I’ve also had this happen numerous times with size of carry-on, payment of
baggage fees etc.-"-well, they didn’t charge me for my bags coming here" me: "Ahhhh, yes they did I see the
charge in your reservation" them: “OH!” It happens sooooo much that I kinda feel like law enforcement on those
“Cops” shows – where it seems like they catch 99% of the folks they stop in lies! And it also got to be
a constant point of “discussion” between myself and another guy I worked with that seemed to always
want to give people the “benefit of the doubt” . . . . and when an incident would come up–say about 1 time
per week with him–of course, we’d catch the pax in a lie but “oh, no! people don’t lie!”
Now don’t get me wrong–sometimes things are just as folks tell me–I do listen and there’s also times that
I have to tell the pax that I wasn’t there/originally so I don’t know what was said but we go from our point of contact.
But, I’ve learned --the hard way–people lie. I’m not even sure they realize they are doing it. . . .
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rg…@…net wrote:
The last portion of this week’s column should tell you everything you need to know about Bob Dancer.
You might have respect for his knowledge of video poker, but if you had any modicum of personal respect for him remaining at this point, I certainly hope that, at long last, you have seen the light.
I have always found the members of this group that I have come in contact with to be classy and honorable people. Those are the very last words I would use to describe this guy.
A long time ago, in an Internet conversation, I said that everyone
lies. The person with whom I was having the conversation was so
offended that he said he was sorry that duels were out of fashion.
Partly spurred on by the impending
anniversary, I’ve been reading some
books by Vince Bugliosi, who agrees with me that the greatest liar is
the one who says he never lies. Deception is an inherent aspect of
competition.
I manage rental property and everyone lies
David Kathary wrote:
I manage rental property and everyone lies
Don't get me started about rental property. If I'm ever on a witness
stand and am asked if I know what the penalty for perjury is, I'm
going to say "nothing," no matter how much it might suggest that it
will make me feel more free to lie. The last tenants who rented my
wife's house blatantly altered an e-mail I sent them detailing what
they had paid and what they owed, at one point explicitly reversing
the words "owed" and "paid." They brought that to court, which gave
them another month or two of free rent when we couldn't immediately
prove it was altered. Then they brought in fabricated receipts for
rent payments, which included forgeries of my wife's signature. Under
oath, they said they were authentic. In ruling in our favor, the
judge even commented that the signatures looked more like theirs than
my wife's but they were charged with neither forgery nor perjury as
they got another month of free rent by appealing to a higher court.
After we started trying to evict them, I discovered that they had been
doing this to landlords for 7 years. Whenever I consider helping
anyone, I remember that they are in the same human race as these
tenants.
I see them on Judge Judy all the time 
David Kathary wrote:
I manage rental property and everyone lies
Don’t get me started about rental property. If I’m ever on a witness
stand and am asked if I know what the penalty for perjury is, I’m
going to say “nothing,” no matter how much it might suggest that it
will make me feel more free to lie. The last tenants who rented my
wife’s house blatantly altered an e-mail I sent them detailing what
they had paid and what they owed, at one point explicitly reversing
the words “owed” and “paid.” They brought that to court, which gave
them another month or two of free rent when we couldn’t immediately
prove it was altered. Then they brought in fabricated receipts for
rent payments, which included forgeries of my wife’s signature. Under
oath, they said they were authentic. In ruling in our favor, the
judge even commented that the signatures looked more like theirs than
my wife’s but they were charged with neither forgery nor perjury as
they got another month of free rent by appealing to a higher court.
After we started trying to evict them, I discovered that they had been
doing this to landlords for 7 years. Whenever I consider helping
anyone, I remember that they are in the same human race as these
tenants.
—In vpF…@…com, <007@…> wrote:
Can you imagine what Judge Judy REALLY thinks about some of the dirtbags who appear in front of her? Only political correctness saves their sorry /-$$e$.
Certainly the game is rigged. Don’t let that stop you; if you don’t bet, you can’t win. -Lazarus Long
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein
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Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:02 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [vpFREE] RE: Bob Dancer’s LV Advisor Column - 19 NOV 2013 (XVP)
I see them on Judge Judy all the time
—In vpF…@…com, <007@…> wrote:
David Kathary wrote:
I manage rental property and everyone lies
Don’t get me started about rental property. If I’m ever on a witness
stand and am asked if I know what the penalty for perjury is, I’m
going to say “nothing,” no matter how much it might suggest that it
will make me feel more free to lie. The last tenants who rented my
wife’s house blatantly altered an e-mail I sent them detailing what
they had paid and what they owed, at one point explicitly reversing
the words “owed” and “paid.” They brought that to court, which gave
them another month or two of free rent when we couldn’t immediately
prove it was altered. Then they brought in fabricated receipts for
rent payments, which included forgeries of my wife’s signature. Under
oath, they said they were authentic. In ruling in our favor, the
judge even commented that the signatures looked more like theirs than
my wife’s but they were charged with neither forgery nor perjury as
they got another month of free rent by appealing to a higher court.
After we started trying to evict them, I discovered that they had been
doing this to landlords for 7 years. Whenever I consider helping
anyone, I remember that they are in the same human race as these
tenants.
No doubt everyone lies from time to time. But I doubt that everyone with plenty of money steals food. Just seems sad…
—In vpF…@…com, <kjhaka@…> wrote:
I will back up Bob 100% on his “everyone lies” statement.
I believe in NJ they can ONLY show the “unpicked prizes” if those prizes were there to pick .
In most every kiosk game I ever played the “unpicked prizes” were NOT shown.
Other jurisdictions may vary…
It’s a matter of degree here.
While I personally wouldn’t do it,
it was only coffee and a banana.
If they had pigged out on an expensive
buffet the same way…
On Friday, November 22, 2013 7:08 PM, “ahd…@…com” <ahd…@…com> wrote:
I believe in NJ they can ONLY show the “unpicked prizes” if those prizes were there to pick .
In most every kiosk game I ever played the “unpicked prizes” were NOT shown.
Other jurisdictions may vary…
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Bob Dancer’s LV Advisor Column - 19 NOV 2013
Sometimes I Prefer Unfair Games
http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2013/1119.cfm
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ahduff wrote:
I believe in NJ they can ONLY show the “unpicked prizes” if those prizes were there to pick .
In most every kiosk game I ever played the “unpicked prizes” were NOT shown.
I can’t speak about NJ. You may well be correct.
When I was writing the article I was thinking about the kiosk drawings run by the Coast Casinos (part of B Connected) in Las Vegas. There players regularly get about the same amount (perhaps $3, perhaps $5, perhaps $25, etc., depending on their play level) and once they’ve selected it always shows $250 or $500 prizes were available. I’ve seen these kiosk games at both Sam’s Town and Gold Coast. I haven’t experienced them elsewhere.
Bob
I doubt this is true in NJ. Revel is currently having a promotion where you can swipe and win a prize. There are always 5 prizes to pick from, and the prizes are always the same:
$5 slot play
$10,000 slot play
50 bonus drawing entries
Tote bag
Something else (sorry I forgot)
I find it hard to believe I have a 1 in 5 shot at $10,000 slot play and that I miss it every time.
John
—In vpF…@…com, <bobdancervp@…> wrote:
ahduff wrote:
I believe in NJ they can ONLY show the “unpicked prizes” if those prizes were there to pick .
In most every kiosk game I ever played the “unpicked prizes” were NOT shown.
I can’t speak about NJ. You may well be correct.
When I was writing the article I was thinking about the kiosk drawings run by the Coast Casinos (part of B Connected) in Las Vegas. There players regularly get about the same amount (perhaps $3, perhaps $5, perhaps $25, etc., depending on their play level) and once they’ve selected it always shows $250 or $500 prizes were available. I’ve seen these kiosk games at both Sam’s Town and Gold Coast. I haven’t experienced them elsewhere.
Bob
I’ve never played that promo at RV, but they seem more than willing to break the rules
Regarding Bob Dancer’s column, I appreciate the honesty in the writing. I prefer forthrightness over hypocrisy any day.
—In vpf…@…com, <ahduff@…> wrote:
I’ve never played that promo at RV, but they seem more than willing to break the rules