Since several individual references/comparisons were brought up in the column, I have one question that should be of interest to all players. Bob, you said you were not welcome to play at MGM. I presume that is since around the time of you $100k & $400k royals there. But you also said their presumably erroneous records tally that you lost around $400k there. If so, then can you please explain why they would have banned you from playing vp when their records show such a large loss?
Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 19 FEB 2013
Rob wrote:But you also said their presumably erroneous records tally that you lost around $400k there. If so, then can you please explain why they would have banned you from playing vp when their records show such a large loss?
The loss I referred to was the year before the big win. Also, they were savvy enough to know that their record-keeping system was easily thwarted by knowledgeable players --- so at least some of their management team didn't believe I was behind that much.
Generally speaking, when a casino bans you they do not spell out their reasoning for doing so --- nor are they required to. They simply say, "your action is no longer welcome here."
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As I recall, the tracking system was so broken that you didn't even have to
pull your card...it failed to count any hand-pay jackpots, so it you were
playing high denomination it showed a pretty steep loss.
Cogno
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Rob wrote:But you also said their presumably erroneous records tally that
you lost around $400k there. If so, then can you please explain why they
would have banned you from playing vp when their records show such a large
loss?
The loss I referred to was the year before the big win. Also, they were
savvy enough to know that their record-keeping system was easily thwarted by
knowledgeable players --- so at least some of their management team didn't
believe I was behind that much.
Generally speaking, when a casino bans you they do not spell out their
reasoning for doing so --- nor are they required to. They simply say, "your
action is no longer welcome here."
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Cogno wrote (concerning the MGM Grand in Las Vegas): As I recall, the tracking system was so broken that you didn't even have to pull your card...it failed to count any hand-pay jackpots, so it you were playing high denomination it showed a pretty steep loss.
That wasn't the case in the era I played there --- maybe at some other time. We had millions in W2Gs there during that period so if they were all excluded our reported loss would have been much larger than it actually was.
You needed to have your card removed for the jackpot not to be recorded. But we often played $5 Ten Play where a dealt flush was $1500 and a dealt full house was $2250. You get enough of those (in addition to the rare dealt quads ($6250), dealt straight flushes ($12,500) and every dealt 4-to-the-royal) that card-pulling was very effective there then.
Generally speaking, card-pulling doesn't work at most places any more. And even at the casinos where it might work, I'm "famous enough" today that I don't wish to be seen on camera doing it. I assume that there are some casino managers in every place I play that think it's a bad idea to deal to me, and I don't wish to give these managers "ammunition." Trying to outfox their player tracking system might be ammunition enough for me to lose my welcome. So I don't pull my card at all today. There are players who think they're invisible in a casino. I conduct myself as though everything I do is being recorded.
Bob
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