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Bob Dancer's CasinoGaming Column - 5 FEB 2008

#1

Unpenalized Straight Potential in Deuces Wild

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#2

20-12-5-3-2-2-1 ???

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae" <vpFae@...> wrote:

Unpenalized Straight Potential in Deuces Wild

http://www.casinogaming.com/columnists/dancer/2008/0205.html

#3

A short-pay version of DW that rather that cutting down the 4 of a
kind pay from 5 to 4 (and raising other pays to make up for it, to an
insufficient degree to compensate for that loss, in most cases), cuts
the wild royal from 25 to 20, and the five of a kind from 15 to 12. I
believe it is right about at a 99% return. You see this paytable on
dollar denom games occasionally.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mroejacks" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae" <vpFae@> wrote:
>
> Unpenalized Straight Potential in Deuces Wild
>
> http://www.casinogaming.com/columnists/dancer/2008/0205.html

20-12-5-3-2-2-1 ???

#4

mroejacks wrote:
20-12-5-3-2-2-1 ???

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Dick,
I think the "09" is just missing or maybe left out by a default
convention. From

http://members.cox.net/vpfree/PayV.htm

we have this paytable:

1-2-2-3-5-09-12-20-200-800 ... 98.94%

#5

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@...> wrote:

> 20-12-5-3-2-2-1 ???
A short-pay version of DW that rather that cutting down the 4 of a
kind pay from 5 to 4 (and raising other pays to make up for it, to an
insufficient degree to compensate for that loss, in most cases), cuts
the wild royal from 25 to 20, and the five of a kind from 15 to 12. I
believe it is right about at a 99% return. You see this paytable on
dollar denom games occasionally.

Used to be called "Fooler Deuces". I wonder how many played it
thinking it was full pay?

#6

mroejacks wrote:
20-12-5-3-2-2-1 ???

Dick is correct that pay schedule doesn't mean anything unless there's a
9 between the 12 and the 5. It was a typo.

Bob Dancer

For a 3-day free trial of Video Poker for Winners, the best video poker
computer trainer ever invented, go to //www.videopokerforwinners.com

#7

Yes, I know that. I was just bringing it to Bob's attention so he could
correct it.

Dick

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jeffcole2003oct" <jeff-cole@...> wrote:

mroejacks wrote:
20-12-5-3-2-2-1 ???

Dick,
I think the "09" is just missing or maybe left out by a default
convention. From

http://members.cox.net/vpfree/PayV.htm

we have this paytable:

1-2-2-3-5-09-12-20-200-800 ... 98.94%

#8

Three questions about Station tiers:

1) Do multiplied points count towards earning higher levels in the Boarding
Pass program? Or, is your tier only earned from base coin-in points?

2) If the level you are at is based on your play during the past 90 days,
then why is there a discrepancy between the number of points I've earned in
the last 90 days vs the number of points I need to earn to achieve the next
level? For example, my online account says, "You have earned 218,575 points
in the last 90 days. As of today, earn 46,559 points to become a PRESIDENT
card holder." If PRESIDENT level requires 225,000 points in a 90 day
period, then shouldn't I only need to earn another 6,425 points?

3) What's the difference between mailer offers for Platinum vs President
level players?

On a side note: Why do Stations send out food offers with an expiration date
that falls on a SUNDAY when the offers are only valid MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY?
Seems like the real expiration date should be a Friday, then.

#9

It may be that "the last 90 days" plus today totals 91 days.

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On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Nathan O. Roemer <public@soundmessage.com> wrote:

2) If the level you are at is based on your play during the past 90 days,
then why is there a discrepancy between the number of points I've earned in
the last 90 days vs the number of points I need to earn to achieve the next
level? For example, my online account says, "You have earned 218,575 points
in the last 90 days. As of today, earn 46,559 points to become a PRESIDENT
card holder." If PRESIDENT level requires 225,000 points in a 90 day
period, then shouldn't I only need to earn another 6,425 points?

#10

Nathan O. Roemer <public@soundmessage.com> wrote: If the level you are
at is based on your play during the past 90

days, then why is there a discrepancy between the number of points

I've earned in the last 90 days vs the number of points I need to earn
to achieve the next level?

There is the 90-91 day problem that I discuss in
http://www.casinogaming.com/columnists/dancer/2006/1219.html

But in certain cases there is another factor going on as well. At least
for Chairman level, it's calendar months, NOT 90-91 days. That is, it
matters how much you play from December 1 - February 29, which are
calendar months. On the website, if you check on February 15, it will
give you from the middle of November to the middle of February. This is
not the same thing. If you played, for example, lots of points in the
last week of November and lots of points in the first week of February,
that will be within 90 days, but not within three calendar months
because your November play "fell off" on January 31.

Does that help?

Bob Dancer

For a 3-day free trial of Video Poker for Winners, the best video poker
computer trainer ever invented, go to //www.videopokerforwinners.com

#11

Well, if anyone cared...I played about 8K more points and checked before I
left and was upgraded to President level. So the 46K points was way off.

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Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Station's Tiers

On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Nathan O. Roemer <public@soundmessage.com <mailto:public%40soundmessage.com> > wrote:

2) If the level you are at is based on your play during the past 90 days,
then why is there a discrepancy between the number of points I've earned in
the last 90 days vs the number of points I need to earn to achieve the next
level? For example, my online account says, "You have earned 218,575 points
in the last 90 days. As of today, earn 46,559 points to become a PRESIDENT
card holder." If PRESIDENT level requires 225,000 points in a 90 day
period, then shouldn't I only need to earn another 6,425 points?

It may be that "the last 90 days" plus today totals 91 days.