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Bob Dancer's CasinoGaming Column - 3 JUL 2007

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Who Uses Strategy Cards?

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gilbert wrote:
If there is really such things as "PERFECT STRATEGY CARDS" (let's say
written 5-20 years ago), (a) does anyone know (no guessing please) if
the vp games today (from IGT, for example) are still the same as then?
Or, (b) with the new vp machines equipped with more processing
power/better cpus, better chips, better computing power, have the vp
games software changed since then? If this is the case, I'm assuming
that those "Perfect Strategy Cards" would have changed also.

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Who Uses Strategy Cards?

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gilbert wrote:
If there is really such things as "PERFECT STRATEGY CARDS" (let's say
written 5-20 years ago), (a) does anyone know (no guessing please) if
the vp games today (from IGT, for example) are still the same as

then?

Or, (b) with the new vp machines equipped with more processing
power/better cpus, better chips, better computing power, have the vp
games software changed since then? If this is the case, I'm assuming
that those "Perfect Strategy Cards" would have changed also.

VP strategies are based on paytables, not machines. A "perfect"
strategy 20 years ago would still be perfect today. What is your point?

Dick

PS. I'm sure many parts of the software have been redone/modified, most
specifically the RNG since IGT has stated as much.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gilbert_616" <gilbert_616@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae" <vpFae@> wrote:

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> gilbert wrote:
> If there is really such things as "PERFECT STRATEGY CARDS" (let's

say

> written 5-20 years ago), (a) does anyone know (no guessing

please) if

> the vp games today (from IGT, for example) are still the same as
then?
> Or, (b) with the new vp machines equipped with more processing
> power/better cpus, better chips, better computing power, have the

vp

> games software changed since then? If this is the case, I'm

assuming

> that those "Perfect Strategy Cards" would have changed also.

VP strategies are based on paytables, not machines. A "perfect"
strategy 20 years ago would still be perfect today. What is your

point?

Dick

PS. I'm sure many parts of the software have been redone/modified,

most

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mroejacks" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gilbert_616" <gilbert_616@> wrote:
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae" <vpFae@> wrote:
specifically the RNG since IGT has stated as much.

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gilbert's reply:
The point I am trying to get is: besides the modified RNG that you
mentioned, is there any other changes/modifications to areas such as
the average number of occurences each particular winning hand is
supposed to appear.
For example, WinPoker shows stats like (approximate average in 9/6
JoB):
Full House -- Occurs Every 86.86 draws
Flush -- Occurs Every 90.78 draws
Two Pair -- Occurs Every 7.73 draws
Jacks or Better -- Occurs Every 4.66 draws

Can the program be modified so that Full House to occur on average of
every 90+ draws, Flush to occur every 95+ draws, etc. or will this
type of modification be considered illegal?
For the Royal Flush (since it occurs around the average of 40,000
hands, my guess is that there is no modification needed in this
area/routine.

Some people had asked me this topic before but, I do not know the
answer so any info I could get here will be helpful in case the same
question pops up in the future.

Thanks.

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gilbert's reply:
The point I am trying to get is: besides the modified RNG that you
mentioned, is there any other changes/modifications to areas such

as

the average number of occurences each particular winning hand is
supposed to appear.
For example, WinPoker shows stats like (approximate average in 9/6
JoB):
Full House -- Occurs Every 86.86 draws
Flush -- Occurs Every 90.78 draws
Two Pair -- Occurs Every 7.73 draws
Jacks or Better -- Occurs Every 4.66 draws

Can the program be modified so that Full House to occur on average

of

every 90+ draws, Flush to occur every 95+ draws, etc. or will this
type of modification be considered illegal?

It would be illegal.

For the Royal Flush (since it occurs around the average of 40,000
hands, my guess is that there is no modification needed in this
area/routine.

Some people had asked me this topic before but, I do not know the
answer so any info I could get here will be helpful in case the

same

question pops up in the future.

The cycle times of the various hands is a by-product of randomness
combined with strategy. If the VP program is random (as required by
law and the assumption we buy into when talking here) then the same
strategy will generate the same cycle times. Of course, these cycle
times take a whole bunch of hands to start converging on the computed
values.

Also, keep in mind the program that deals cards knows nothing about
the various hand types. It simply displays 5 cards on the deal and
replaces whatever you choose to throw away on the draw. When this is
all done another chunk of code evaluates the results and pays
accordingly.

Dick

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gilbert_616 wrote:

The point I am trying to get is: besides the modified RNG that you
mentioned, is there any other changes/modifications to areas such as
the average number of occurences each particular winning hand is
supposed to appear.
For example, WinPoker shows stats like (approximate average in 9/6
JoB):
Full House -- Occurs Every 86.86 draws
Flush -- Occurs Every 90.78 draws
Two Pair -- Occurs Every 7.73 draws
Jacks or Better -- Occurs Every 4.66 draws

Can the program be modified so that Full House to occur on average of
every 90+ draws, Flush to occur every 95+ draws, etc. or will this
type of modification be considered illegal?

No matter how a RNG is designed, it's legal only when it yields a card
distribution that reflects the probabilities associated with a
standard deck of cards.

Given a "fair" RNG, the distribution of winning hands in a game is
determined strictly by the strategy used to hold cards -- nothing else.
The RNG does nothing more than determine the cards that are dealt and
drawn. Specific hands aren't programmed.

Where hand probabilities are stated in vp software, they reflect use
of ER optimal strategies. If you hold according to some other
strategy, the probabilities are changed.

- Harry