Hi Babe,
You did not cause me any distress see :> 
:>
The point I was trying to make is that someway/somehow, bad luck or
whatever it is, I couldn't manage to win at those mentioned full-pay
machines at the Wynn or GVR each time I tried them compared to the
neighboring 9/6 or 9/5 DDB or 9/6 JB where, using the same strategy,
I managed to do so much better (hit more quads, fullhouses, etc.).
The full-pay vps are always my first choice when I walk into a
casino, but when you've tried the ones at the Wynn or GVR a dozen or
two already and always came up losing...that first choice of mine at
those 2 casinos have been changed. So I hope you have better luck if
you ever try those machines! Or else just forget about the
mathematics for that "shor-term" of play and save your remaining
bankroll for playing somewhere else.
The example I gave on frequency of quads or fullhouse "on average"
is just a maybe (since we all know that vegas casinos are honest,
right?) so I'm basically hoping that maybe someday someone who works
for the Gaming Commission (if s/he ever browse these forums) might
check out those number of frequencies "on average" if there is any
such thing/mechanism that they use when auditing these machines.
And again, my tiny concern in this matter is that hardly anyone will
complain about full-pay machines so I have no clue if they even get
audited or checked.
Sorry, for not being very detailed or clear on my previous posts and
I hope this one makes it a little bit more understandable.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@...>
wrote:
Hi Gilbert,
I'm sorry that I apparently caused you some distress with my
previous post. I was referring to the advantage of playing "full-
pay" VP, versus "short-pay" VP. I was not addressing the merits
of
playing at the Mirage versus playing at Wynn or GVR.
Perhaps I was mistaken, but I did not perceive that npf125, was
specifically discussing these particular casinos either. I had
assumed that he choose them, because they are close to each other,
and one offered full pay VP while the other did not.
In re-reading his post, which is appended below, you may be quite
correct in your assumption that he was specifically singling out
the
Mirage and the Wynn for comparison.
If that is the correct conclusion, I must ask npf125 if the reason
why he prefers playing short-pay at the Mirage to full-pay at
Wynn,
is based solely on his prior won-loss records at the two casinos?
Or, does he have some other suspicion or information, that he is
more
likely to do better at the Mirage than at the Wynn?
As I mentioned in my previous post, I have never played at Wynn or
GVR. My singular experience with playing at the Mirage, occured
in
1989, the day after the hotel opened. I didn't like their VP
inventory then, and haven't been back since.
The point that I was attempting to make, was that no matter WHERE
one plays, IMO, it is advantageous to seek out full pay machines.
Therefore, I don't frequent casinos that don't offer full pay VP.
If the Wynn offers full pay VP and the Mirage does not, I would
certainly prefer to play at the Wynn. It would not be a
consideration to me, that I had done extremely well or extremely
poorly at either casino previously.
"Long-term" and short-term" aside, if you believe in the math, and
also have faith that the machines are random and not rigged
or "sub-
programmed", I don't know how you can come to a different
conclusion.
I, personally, being a non-local as well as an "older" person
whose
long-term is getting much shorter every day, play for the short
term
gain rather than the eventual long term gain. However, I do
believe
that the math does apply equally to either.
I have absolutely no doubt that I'd prefer to receive 50 coins
rather than 45 coins, for a FH on DB or DDB. Even a mathmatically
challenged person such as myself can figure that out. So, unless
I
have some proof that Casino A (offering a 45 coin FH) will provide
more FH's than Casino B (Offering a 50 coin FH), I am going to
favor
Casino B with my business.
BTW, if you want to "come and watch me play, to see how I do it",
I'm
afraid that you're out of luck. When I detect that someone is
watching me, I turn around, stare at them purposefully, and stop
playing until they move away. I intensely dislike being "stalked"
in this manner, no matter what the reason the person might have
for
staring.
Cheers,
-Babe-
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OK. So, Dick and Babe have won MORE on Full Pay vp machines. I
have
too in the other casinos.
However, the topic here is all about those full-pay VP at the Wynn
and at GVR. Maybe I've missed something here, but I don't see
either
one saying that their MORE winnings were from the Wynn's (10/6 DDB
and 9/6/80 JB in particular) and GVR's (10/6 DDB in front of the
Buffet) full- pay VPs. If they were, great! We'd love to watch you
play there one of these days and see how you do it.
Assuming one machine had a better paytable than another, I would
of
course prefer it. But, it is tremendously overstated in the short
term what that extra percent or two gets you. And tourists are
short
term.
I think the mathematical "wizards" and such lead you to believe
that "full-pay" machines give you a much bigger advantage than
they
actually do - in the short term.
The 9/5 DDB machines at the Mirage gave me or allowed me to draw
the
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gilbert_616" <gilbert_616@> wrote:
In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "npf125" <edifess@> wrote:
4 aces with the kicker many times while I was there. That beats
going to the Wynn and losing on the "better" 10/6 machine where
I'm "supposed" to win.