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Bob Dancer's CasinoGaming Column - 16 NOV 2010

Bob Dancer's CasinoGaming Column - 16 NOV 2010

"Change for Gold Coast Seniors"

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Great column Bob!

Thanks for your contribution- these are immensely more fun to read than losing at vp volumes 1-20...

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Bob Dancer's CasinoGaming Column - 16 NOV 2010

"Change for Gold Coast Seniors"

<a href="http://www.casinogaming.com/columnists/dancer/2010/1116.html">
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Fiction is always a lot more "fun" than reality.
Bogus dreams of becoming a "Million Dollar" player are more entertaining by far than the reality of blowing a few grand chasing a "positive play" with nothing to show from it but bleary eyes and a headache.
The lies also sell more books, lessons, software, strategy cards and other trinkets to the sheep.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bet" <dbetmaster@...> wrote:

Great column Bob!

Thanks for your contribution- these are immensely more fun to read than losing at vp volumes 1-20...

So Mikey.....

You have an alternative to acquiring knowledge? Or is ignorance bliss?

Jigger
" I've learned that no matter
how much I care, some people are just assholes."

"You sound reasonable ... Time to up my medication."

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--- On Wed, 11/17/10, mike <melbedewy1226@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
Fiction is always a lot more "fun" than reality.
Bogus dreams of becoming a "Million Dollar" player are more
entertaining by far than the reality of blowing a few grand
chasing a "positive play" with nothing to show from it but
bleary eyes and a headache.
The lies also sell more books, lessons, software, strategy
cards and other trinkets to the sheep.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If we aren't here trying to make friends, learn and beat the
game, why are we here?

Can't we Video Poker players all just get along?

My 120" stretch 9 passenger (in the back) limo got stolen.
Not only was the whole police/tow/recovery thing a big
expensive nightmare, but insurance doesn't cover it.

So I want to hit a Royal Flush to pay for it.
If I drive an hour to one of the local casinos with a
good Jacks or Better machine and try to play perfectly,
I figure if I lose $100 and have a great buffet for a deal,
I'm not horribly out a lot of money.

I can usually get 400+ hands with 5 coins in at a
9/6 machine, and often break even or even win a bit.

So from my perspective, I can have fun and if I go
one time a week, every two years, I hit a royal.

It's almost like putting $100 or so in the bank.

Anyway, why can't we get along?
There is so much friction on the political
and coffee and gardening discussion
groups I'm on, one would think at least
the gamblers could be nice to one another.

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--- On Wed, 11/17/10, mike <melbedewy1226@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: mike <melbedewy1226@hotmail.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's CasinoGaming Column - 16 NOV 2010
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 2:32 PM

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bet" <dbetmaster@...> wrote:

Great column Bob!

Thanks for your contribution- these are immensely more fun to read than losing at vp volumes 1-20...

Fiction is always a lot more "fun" than reality.
Bogus dreams of becoming a "Million Dollar" player are more entertaining by far than the reality of blowing a few grand chasing a "positive play" with nothing to show from it but bleary eyes and a headache.
The lies also sell more books, lessons, software, strategy cards and other trinkets to the sheep.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

What you outline is the common sense outlook to the game.
It is also my outlook.

You do not make the absurd claim of "making a living" playing VP in 2010.
You do not try to sell suckers on the idea of becoming "Million Dollar" players.
Why do those who directly profit from selling software, lessons, books, strategy cards, trinkets, etc. continue to make these preposterous claims?
Other than the obvious maxim as stated by one PT Barnum- "there's a sucker born every minute".

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Cohen <brucedcohen2002@...> wrote:

If we aren't here trying to make friends, learn and beat the
game, why are we here?
Â
Can't we Video Poker players all just get along?
Â
My 120" stretch 9 passenger (in the back) limo got stolen.
Not only was the whole police/tow/recovery thing a big
expensive nightmare, but insurance doesn't cover it.
Â
So I want to hit a Royal Flush to pay for it.
If I drive an hour to one of the local casinos with a
good Jacks or Better machine and try to play perfectly,
I figure if I lose $100 and have a great buffet for a deal,
I'm not horribly out a lot of money.
Â
I can usually get 400+ hands with 5 coins in at a
9/6 machine, and often break even or even win a bit.
Â
So from my perspective, I can have fun and if I go
one time a week, every two years, I hit a royal.
Â
It's almost like putting $100 or so in the bank.
Â

Anyway, why can't we get along?
There is so much friction on the political
and coffee and gardening discussion
groups I'm on, one would think at least
the gamblers could be nice to one another.

--- On Wed, 11/17/10, mike <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:

From: mike <melbedewy1226@...>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's CasinoGaming Column - 16 NOV 2010
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 2:32 PM

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bet" <dbetmaster@> wrote:
>
> Great column Bob!
>
> Thanks for your contribution- these are immensely more fun to read than losing at vp volumes 1-20...
>
Fiction is always a lot more "fun" than reality.
Bogus dreams of becoming a "Million Dollar" player are more entertaining by far than the reality of blowing a few grand chasing a "positive play" with nothing to show from it but bleary eyes and a headache.
The lies also sell more books, lessons, software, strategy cards and other trinkets to the sheep.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

<<Why do those who directly profit from selling software, lessons, books, strategy cards, trinkets, etc. continue to make these preposterous claims?>>

I don't know any of "those people" you refer to who claim to make "millions." Bob Dancer wrote his "million dollar" book back when it was possible - and that covered just one 6 month or so period when he had several concentrated lucky events . I have mentioned many times that it took us over 20 years to grind out a million dollars of true profits (not counting comps).

Both Bob and I merely try to give you nuggets of information you might be able to use to lose less and win more. It depends on your goals how many of these you want to or can use. So many variables: how many hours you want to spend at gambling, what your bankroll is, how motivated you are, whether you want to make a profit or just lose less, etc.

Any gambler, writer or not, will tell you that it is hard work to make gambling profitable and it is definitely harder these days than it used to be. There may be people making big money in VP these days, but I don't know any of them. All the ones I know that play VP skillfully, whether as a part-timer or full-time are scrambling like mad. And many are finding it hard to make a decent living if it is their only source of income. Some are supplementing their income with part-time non-gambling jobs. Some are switching to part-time or full-time live poker. Some are leaving town to start a "real" life somewhere else, doing something besides gambling. Etc., etc.

One reason I am running the series in my blog about losing, taken from a couple of articles I wrote in 2001, is to show that it still takes the same basic building blocks today that it did back then. Of course the details change - and I point that out.

What is funny to me is that some people are so critical of that series. It really is an outline of how we made our "million." And even in today's rough casino atmosphere, there is enough help in that series that if you want to take the information and really use it, it could put hundreds of dollars back in your pocket that you ordinarily might lose - and for those that really want to scramble, it is a map to profits. Maybe not as much as used to be possible, but with extra work and greater flexibility, we are still able to pull out a profit - and I know many others who are doing so.

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________________
Jean $�ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/

Ah for the days when you could eke out seven dollar/hour and get a free meal gambling on VP machines. In 2010 we rely on bouncebacks and other promos but recognize you will take a beating on these negative machines. $30/hour on $1 FPJB. $60 on "2010FPDDB".....Sad

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:

What you outline is the common sense outlook to the game.
It is also my outlook.

You do not make the absurd claim of "making a living" playing VP in 2010.
You do not try to sell suckers on the idea of becoming "Million Dollar" players.
Why do those who directly profit from selling software, lessons, books, strategy cards, trinkets, etc. continue to make these preposterous claims?
Other than the obvious maxim as stated by one PT Barnum- "there's a sucker born every minute".

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Cohen <brucedcohen2002@> wrote:
>
> If we aren't here trying to make friends, learn and beat the
> game, why are we here?
> Â
> Can't we Video Poker players all just get along?
> Â
> My 120" stretch 9 passenger (in the back) limo got stolen.
> Not only was the whole police/tow/recovery thing a big
> expensive nightmare, but insurance doesn't cover it.
> Â
> So I want to hit a Royal Flush to pay for it.
> If I drive an hour to one of the local casinos with a
> good Jacks or Better machine and try to play perfectly,
> I figure if I lose $100 and have a great buffet for a deal,
> I'm not horribly out a lot of money.
> Â
> I can usually get 400+ hands with 5 coins in at a
> 9/6 machine, and often break even or even win a bit.
> Â
> So from my perspective, I can have fun and if I go
> one time a week, every two years, I hit a royal.
> Â
> It's almost like putting $100 or so in the bank.
> Â
>
> Anyway, why can't we get along?
> There is so much friction on the political
> and coffee and gardening discussion
> groups I'm on, one would think at least
> the gamblers could be nice to one another.
>
> --- On Wed, 11/17/10, mike <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
>
>
> From: mike <melbedewy1226@>
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's CasinoGaming Column - 16 NOV 2010
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 2:32 PM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bet" <dbetmaster@> wrote:
> >
> > Great column Bob!
> >
> > Thanks for your contribution- these are immensely more fun to read than losing at vp volumes 1-20...
> >
> Fiction is always a lot more "fun" than reality.
> Bogus dreams of becoming a "Million Dollar" player are more entertaining by far than the reality of blowing a few grand chasing a "positive play" with nothing to show from it but bleary eyes and a headache.
> The lies also sell more books, lessons, software, strategy cards and other trinkets to the sheep.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

mike wrote:

Fiction is always a lot more "fun" than reality.
Bogus dreams of becoming a "Million Dollar" player are
more entertaining by far than the reality of blowing a
few grand chasing a "positive play" with nothing to show
from it but bleary eyes and a headache.
The lies also sell more books, lessons, software, strategy
cards and other trinkets to the sheep.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion... it's up the individual
to choose to have an informed one.... or not.

G'luck all,
Gamb00ler

Jean, Jean, shame on you. You certainly know by now that trying to teach a pig to sing is not only impossible, but it pisses off the pig.

Your grace under fire is always refreshing. I really question how you are able to continue putting yourself out there when you could easily just sit back and live your life.

From those of us that understand that knowledge is useful only when shared, thank you again for all you do!

Jigger Woodruff

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--- On Wed, 11/17/10, Jean Scott <queenofcomps@cox.net> wrote:

From: Jean Scott <queenofcomps@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's CasinoGaming Column - 16 NOV 2010
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 6:41 PM
<<Why do those who directly
profit from selling software, lessons, books,
strategy cards, trinkets, etc. continue to make these
preposterous claims?>>

I don't know any of "those people" you refer to who claim
to make
"millions." Bob Dancer wrote his "million dollar"
book back when it was
possible - and that covered just one 6 month or so
period when he had
several concentrated lucky events . I have mentioned
many times that it
took us over 20 years to grind out a million dollars
of true profits (not
counting comps).

Both Bob and I merely try to give you nuggets of
information you might be
able to use to lose less and win more. It depends on
your goals how many of
these you want to or can use. So many
variables: how many hours you want
to spend at gambling, what your bankroll is, how motivated
you are, whether
you want to make a profit or just lose less, etc.

Any gambler, writer or not, will tell you that it is hard
work to make
gambling profitable and it is definitely harder these days
than it used to
be. There may be people making big money in VP these
days, but I don't know
any of them. All the ones I know that play VP
skillfully, whether as a
part-timer or full-time are scrambling like mad. And
many are finding it
hard to make a decent living if it is their only source of
income. Some are
supplementing their income with part-time non-gambling
jobs. Some are
switching to part-time or full-time live poker. Some
are leaving town to
start a "real" life somewhere else, doing something besides
gambling. Etc.,
etc.

One reason I am running the series in my blog about losing,
taken from a
couple of articles I wrote in 2001, is to show that it
still takes the same
basic building blocks today that it did back then. Of
course the details
change - and I point that out.

What is funny to me is that some people are so critical of
that series. It
really is an outline of how we made our "million."
And even in today's
rough casino atmosphere, there is enough help in that
series that if you
want to take the information and really use it, it could
put hundreds of
dollars back in your pocket that you ordinarily might lose
- and for those
that really want to scramble, it is a map to profits.
Maybe not as much as
used to be possible, but with extra work and greater
flexibility, we are
still able to pull out a profit - and I know many others
who are doing so.

________________
Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/

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I appreciate any advise Jean gives. I wouldn't be a knowledgeable player without discovering her writings. I'm not a professional player because I live in CA and due to bankroll considerations. But when in Vegas I lead a pretty good lifestyle because of the knowledge I've acquired. And when I met Jean and Brad at the HRH, they were very nice even though I was very nervous meeting her.

James Thompson
Former HRH Casino Monitor

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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: queenofcomps@cox.net
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:41:52 -0800
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's CasinoGaming Column - 16 NOV 2010

      <<Why do those who directly profit from selling software, lessons, books,

strategy cards, trinkets, etc. continue to make these preposterous claims?>>

I don't know any of "those people" you refer to who claim to make

"millions." Bob Dancer wrote his "million dollar" book back when it was

possible - and that covered just one 6 month or so period when he had

several concentrated lucky events . I have mentioned many times that it

took us over 20 years to grind out a million dollars of true profits (not

counting comps).

Both Bob and I merely try to give you nuggets of information you might be

able to use to lose less and win more. It depends on your goals how many of

these you want to or can use. So many variables: how many hours you want

to spend at gambling, what your bankroll is, how motivated you are, whether

you want to make a profit or just lose less, etc.

Any gambler, writer or not, will tell you that it is hard work to make

gambling profitable and it is definitely harder these days than it used to

be. There may be people making big money in VP these days, but I don't know

any of them. All the ones I know that play VP skillfully, whether as a

part-timer or full-time are scrambling like mad. And many are finding it

hard to make a decent living if it is their only source of income. Some are

supplementing their income with part-time non-gambling jobs. Some are

switching to part-time or full-time live poker. Some are leaving town to

start a "real" life somewhere else, doing something besides gambling. Etc.,

etc.

One reason I am running the series in my blog about losing, taken from a

couple of articles I wrote in 2001, is to show that it still takes the same

basic building blocks today that it did back then. Of course the details

change - and I point that out.

What is funny to me is that some people are so critical of that series. It

really is an outline of how we made our "million." And even in today's

rough casino atmosphere, there is enough help in that series that if you

want to take the information and really use it, it could put hundreds of

dollars back in your pocket that you ordinarily might lose - and for those

that really want to scramble, it is a map to profits. Maybe not as much as

used to be possible, but with extra work and greater flexibility, we are

still able to pull out a profit - and I know many others who are doing so.

________________

Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler

http://queenofcomps.com/

You can read my blog at

http://jscott.lvablog.com/

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks for noting this James,
I am as green as green gets - however, I have kept my losses low (only have been out twice) & Kenny won 2x Quad dueces on DWVP yesterday @ the Fiesta Rancho. I simply payed about $55 for 7 hours of entertainment & met several ladies that were gems to boot. A great time. We will never dip into business or bill $ as we did not build our wonderful business w/ out level heads :slight_smile:

Meredith
"If God had wanted me to bend over, he would have
sprinkled the floor with diamonds!!!"

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--- On Thu, 11/18/10, James Thompson <jamesgthompson@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: James Thompson <jamesgthompson@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's CasinoGaming Column - 16 NOV 2010
To: vpfree@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 10:25 PM

I appreciate any advise Jean gives. I wouldn't be a knowledgeable player without discovering her writings. I'm not a professional player because I live in CA and due to bankroll considerations. But when in Vegas I lead a pretty good lifestyle because of the knowledge I've acquired. And when I met Jean and Brad at the HRH, they were very nice even though I was very nervous meeting her.

James Thompson
Former HRH Casino Monitor

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You do not make the absurd claim of "making a living" playing VP in >2010.

I still make a living on the machines. I don't make what I used too but I can still pay the bills. Although I do live a little more frugally these days. Pardon the pun.

You do not try to sell suckers on the idea of becoming "Million >Dollar" players.

I've been around for 14 years now but do not recall Bob making such a claim that he could turn anyone into a Million Dollar player.

Why do those who directly profit from selling software, lessons, >books, strategy cards, trinkets, etc. continue to make these >preposterous claims?

There have been many similar questions asked, like "why would they sell VP information if they were making money playing the game?" Well, why would Donald Trump need a TV show if he were making so much money in real estate? Some people are multi-talented and don't want to waste it.

"there's a sucker born every minute".

That's exactly why, if you're gonna play video poker, you need to bone up on the game.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote: