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Bob Dancer's CasinoGaming Column - 11 APR 2006

An Unusual Video Poker Tournament Strategy

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In this article, Bob Dancer wrote:
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But if you assume you need a royal flush to get in the top ten, then
it makes sense to me to play for the royal EVERY HAND. That is, from
Ah As Ad Ac Kh, you should hold Ah Kh and toss the other three aces!
Although some people will find it against their religion to break up
four aces, keeping the hand will only give you 125 credits. That's
peanuts when you need 4,300 or more to win! On a practical basis, it
is impossible to get 35 four-of-a-kinds in 60 hands in order to
reach the goal of 4,300 without getting a royal. Your only chance to
get enough is to play appropriately and hope to get lucky. ...

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Bob:
If you assume you need a royal flush to get in the top ten, then
won't the "peanuts" come in handy for jockeying for position? It
seems like the 125 credits could make a big difference.

I thought a decent strategy would be to hold all positive
expectation deals (Flush 4 and higher), hold Royal 3 over High Pair,
and then AFTER hitting a royal, go back to max EV strategy. I look
forward to VP Pappy's report on the results.

jeffcole wrote: Bob: If you assume you need a royal flush to get in the
top ten, then
won't the "peanuts" come in handy for jockeying for position? It
seems like the 125 credits could make a big difference.

Once you have the royal, then yes, the more points you have the better
and "normal" Jacks or Better strategy should be played. But UNTIL you
get the royal, you need to take special efforts to get one.

Doing well in video poker tournaments is as much art as science --- once
you know to play as fast as you can and understand the "basics" like
coming in 11th place is worth no more than coming in 4,011th place.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

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jeffcole2003oct wrote:

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In this article, Bob Dancer wrote:
...
But if you assume you need a royal flush to get in the top ten, then
it makes sense to me to play for the royal EVERY HAND. That is, from
Ah As Ad Ac Kh, you should hold Ah Kh and toss the other three aces!
Although some people will find it against their religion to break up
four aces, keeping the hand will only give you 125 credits. That's
peanuts when you need 4,300 or more to win! On a practical basis, it
is impossible to get 35 four-of-a-kinds in 60 hands in order to
reach the goal of 4,300 without getting a royal. Your only chance to
get enough is to play appropriately and hope to get lucky. ...

Bob:
If you assume you need a royal flush to get in the top ten, then
won't the "peanuts" come in handy for jockeying for position? It
seems like the 125 credits could make a big difference.

I thought a decent strategy would be to hold all positive
expectation deals (Flush 4 and higher), hold Royal 3 over High Pair,
and then AFTER hitting a royal, go back to max EV strategy. I look
forward to VP Pappy's report on the results.

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FWIW, Jeff, your suggestion is what I proposed on 4/3. While Bob's
logic is compelling to some extent, I'd still go with my proposal on this.

Bob argues that it really comes down to one thing -- all the top
finishers can be expected to have hit a royal. Thus, you go "balls to
the wall" in an effort to hit a royal in the tournament, to the
exclusion of all other holds (including dealt winners), until you hit one.

Frankly, I can see this strategy getting you nothing at all even if
you hit a royal. Bob's numbers suggest that you might look for 10-15
royals in the tournament. My guess is that there will be more, at
least 15-20. This distinction is an important consideration as I'll
go on to explain shortly.

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Because you only look for about 50-60 hands to be played, differences
between the top scores is going to be small. I would look for 20 or
less credits to separate many of the positions from another.
Therefore, I look for what happens outside that targeted royal to
determine which players, of those who hit a royal, actually finish in
the top 10.

Presumably, under Dancer's strategy, you switch back to max ER
strategy after getting a royal. But until then, credits wracked up by
a "make or break" Dancer player is going to be sharply different than
someone still playing an agressive strategy, but considerably more
moderate (such as the one I detailed).

Under Dancer's strategy you expect to receive back just 49% of played
credits (excl. RF). Under the one I proposed, the figure is 96%.
Over the course of the tournament, look for 150 credits difference
between the two plays if a RF isn't hit. For players who hit
mid-session, look for a 75 cr. difference.

Obviously working in the blind here, I'll still suggest that 75 cr.
average difference will be good for a 4 or 5 position notch up in the
rankings. That's nothing to overlook, especially if under an
assumption of 15 royals, it would might well mean that Dancer strategy
finisher's who hit a royal have a MUCH higher chance of finishing in
the bottom 5 and out of the money.

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But the fact that Dancer strategy players have a strong shot at a
royal isn't anything to sneeze at. But how much better are the odds?
May you expect 3:1. Try again -- 3:2.

It comes down to personality. A "go for broke" kinda guy is
definitely going to find Dancer's reasoning appealing. But, then
again, I wouldn't be surprised if they're they type that will hold an
Ace kicker to trip deuces in DDB.

I'll simply acknowledge that it's still going to come down to a lotta
luck as to whether I'll hit a royal or not. "3:2" isn't going to find
me sacrificing all else for this added edge. I'll push a little more
conservatively and go the route that stands to boost me in the
rankings if I do hit a royal.

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This said, the key success factor to any tournament is speed. Without
a strong edge over the next guy, you can kiss your ass goodbye. (Ok,
so there's always going to be that 5 hand a minute player next to you
who not only hits a RF but 2 quads as well ;).

Dancer's strategy has "K.I.S.S." appeal. But heck, everyone complains
about how mind numbingly dull Jacks is. A little extra attention for
a small handful of strategy changes (I outlined 4 general ones) will
sharpen your wits for competition, no?

My 2+ cents take on this. However the tournament is approached, lets
hear from some winners come May!

- Harry

(PC problems temporarily resolved -- thanks to a swap in of a 10-yr
old graphics card salvaged from my previous PC. This serves as my
wake-up call to do some shopping, now that this beast is 5+ yrs itself. :slight_smile:

Harry wrote: However the tournament is approached, lets
hear from some winners come May!

While hearing success stories is good, I'm not sure if there is anything
to learn after the tournament is over. The winners will have hit a royal
or two --- and they will have found it easy to do on that particular
day. Whether they "went for" the royal (per my strategy), used "normal"
strategy, "agressive-normal" (per Harry's strategy --- could call it
Jeffcole's strategy), or the idiotic strategy of always holding the two
cards on the left, the fact remains that they hit the royal.

Always holding the two cards to the left is a strategy that could work,
but just because someone used that strategy and succeeded this time
doesn't tell us what the best strategy is next time. We all want to
learn from the past, but be careful before you generalize what happened
as being applicable to the future. In any person's results on a specific
day, blind luck will always be a factor.

If someone had entered a large number of tournaments, and won or placed
in several of them, then that's a person we want to hear from. Obviously
they have some secrets we can learn from. From someone who won once,
there's limited value as we can't know how much is luck and how much is
skill.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

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I look forward to VP Pappy's report on the results.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jeffcole2003oct" <jeff-cole@...> wrote:

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   Jeff,

   I'll do an article on the whole "adventure" at the end of the month
after I decide on the best strategy and play my tickets. After reading
all the thoughts from Bob, Dan and others, It shouldn't be to hard to
figure out.

   If, as Bob thinks they'll be, ten royals in the ten paying spots,
then it's toss the dealt four aces, and hold one, ect., but if there
are only a few up on the board, then I'll have to re-think my strategy.

   Wouldn't it be ironic if I hit a royal and it was the fifth one and
I had to pay Bob our $100 bet. I'd rather give up the $10,000 first
place prize than have to do that......Naaaaaa!!!!!!

   I'll keep you posted on the totals as the month goes by.

   Terrence "VP Pappy" Murphy

   "Our doubts are traitors
    And make us lose the good we oft might win
    By fearing to attempt."

    --William Shakespeare

Bob Dancer wrote:

> Harry wrote: "However the tournament is approached, let's
> hear from some winners come May!"

While hearing success stories is good, I'm not sure if there is
anything to learn after the tournament is over.

Ah, com'on Bob, give me more credit than that! The "however" was
intended in the spirit of "irregardless of". I just wanna hear a good
tale and share in someone else's joy! :slight_smile:

- H.