'Nuff said.
Bob Dancer is endorsed by Rob Singer.
Let's see if you can spot the subtle difference...
RS: I'm the greatest video poker player ever, the math means nothing,
buy my stuff.
BD: I'm the greatest video poker player ever, the math means
everything, buy my stuff.
Here's the subtle difference....
RS: I'm the greatest video poker player ever, the math means nothing,
I GIVE AWAY MY STUFF.
BD: I'm the greatest video poker player ever, the math means
everything, buy my stuff.
'Nuff said.
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> 'Nuff said.
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Hmmmmmm, here is the line item from Gamblers Book Store
UNDENIABLE TRUTH ABOUT VIDEO POKER by Singer, Rob ...Order
073501...$15.95
Since when is charging $15.95 giving something away?
Here's the subtle difference....
RS: I'm the greatest video poker player ever, the math means
nothing,
I GIVE AWAY MY STUFF.
BD: I'm the greatest video poker player ever, the math means
everything, buy my stuff.'Nuff said.
>--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jw776655" <jw776655@y...>
wrote:
> >
> > 'Nuff said.
> >
>
>
>Let's see if you can spot the subtle difference...
>
>RS: I'm the greatest video poker player ever, the math means
nothing,
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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Rick Bronstein <rick@g...> wrote:
At 07:53 PM 11/25/2005, you wrote:
>buy my stuff.
>
>BD: I'm the greatest video poker player ever, the math means
>everything, buy my stuff.
>
Smooch of freakin' death.
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--- jw776655 <jw776655@yahoo.com> wrote:
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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "treyrivers88" <treyrivers88@y...>
wrote:
Let's see if you can spot the subtle difference...
RS: I'm the greatest video poker player ever, the math means nothing,
buy my stuff.
BD: I'm the greatest video poker player ever, the math means
everything, buy my stuff.
Here's one: I don't got no "stuff" to sell nohow. Sorry you missed it.
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "treyrivers88" <treyrivers88@y...>
wrote:
Hmmmmmm, here is the line item from Gamblers Book Store
UNDENIABLE TRUTH ABOUT VIDEO POKER by Singer, Rob ...Order
073501...$15.95
Since when is charging $15.95 giving something away?
I believe the poster who said I GIVE STUFF AWAY is referring to several
facts: I have to BUY books from GBC and I give many of them away; and,
my time is always free, i.e., I meet with hundreds of vp players each
year to train/advise mostly in Nevada at my expense, and unlike others,
I don't ever ask for or accept payment of any kind. Oh, and I don't
have any other junk for sale. Now if you want to pay me $2.50 for this
enlightenment, please send it to the American Cancer Society. That's
where the book royalties go.
I've been told it's been pointed out once before on vpFREE, but it's
worth repeating - Dancer and Singer have more similarities than
differences -
a)worthless methodologies;
b)unsubstantiated claims to making millions (or in Singer's case -
lots of money) at vp (I accept that Dancer did get lucky and hit a
400k RF - a play on which his actual expectation was hugely negative);
c) disdain for all that disagree with them -
and in Dancer's case, also disdain for the "fleas" to whom he tries to
sell his vp products;
d)it's obvious that neither one is a pro -
Singer is not because his sole strategies are
"When you're losing, bet more" and and
"When you win, leave the casino and drive to Arizona".
Dancer is not because professional gambler is someone who earns the
vast majority of their income from gambling - Dancer is a casino
consultant, and a marketer of vp junk.
PS - Was not including Zamzow's terrific software in the above
statement.
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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jw776655" <jw776655@y...> wrote:
Dancer is not because professional gambler is someone who earns the
vast majority of their income from gambling - Dancer is a casino
consultant, and a marketer of vp junk.
I've been told it's been pointed out once before on vpFREE, but it's
worth repeating - Dancer and Singer have more similarities than
differences -
a)worthless methodologies;
Naturally I agree long-term strategy is useless - and meaningful only
to the point of being mathematically correct in a classroom setting
only, as well as being a conduit to the marketing of its theories to
make money. But if you say my strategies are worthless that simply
means you don't understand them nor have you ever used them.
b)unsubstantiated claims to making millions (or in Singer's case -
lots of money) at vp (I accept that Dancer did get lucky and hit a
400k RF - a play on which his actual expectation was hugely
negative);
This is an interesting point. I have no idea just how anyone who
plays video poker or gambles in any way can 'prove' their claimed
results to the satisfaction of everyone. W2G's mean nothing.
Witnessing a dozen sessions means nothing. Tax returns can be re-
written and mean nothing. And that's exactly why I publicly
challenged Fezzik in Gaming today that I'd submit all the proof I had
in the form of complete financial records, IRS audit reports,
reviewing 8 years worth of password-protected accounts that document
each of my trips' withdrawals & re-deposits after winning....AND I'd
even pay for a Nevada arbitrator should he or his verifier (Anthony
Curtis) show any reasonable doubt that my information was untrue or
incomplete. Channel 3 even agreed to film several aspects of the
discovery along the way. My bet was declined of course, as it was by
rgmustain (aka 'little dickey') on this forum on the grounds that,
according to him, I could have stolen the money years ago, then
planned an elaborate scheme whereby I'd document over 250 trips to
Nevada, withdraw $17,500 beforehand each time, then re-deposit more
than that on most of the trips to 'make believe' I won the money
gambling. All nonsense of course, but convenient for the usual escape
clauses that I see all the time when people back down from bets with
me.
c) disdain for all that disagree with them -
and in Dancer's case, also disdain for the "fleas" to whom he tries
to sell his vp products;
In reality, not all that many players disagree with me. What you're
seeing is a few big mouths who also happen to be affected by my
positions on long-term strategy.
d)it's obvious that neither one is a pro -
Singer is not because his sole strategies are
"When you're losing, bet more" and and
"When you win, leave the casino and drive to Arizona".
Again, that's your opinion. I make my living solely from playing the
game....although 'living' in my case is subjective in that I have a
solid 401k from my corporate days, and my wife's an engineer at an
aorespace firm over here. Video poker profits are my only income, and
they are exactly as represented on my site. If people don't believe
or don't want to believe that because they can't understand my play
strategy, I don't care. If they want me to be a vp loser because it
makes them feel better because they can't win, I don't care. I'm not
selling nothing and my reputation in their minds won't mean a penny's
difference to my bank account.
Dancer is not because professional gambler is someone who earns the
vast majority of their income from gambling - Dancer is a casino
consultant, and a marketer of vp junk.
100% agree.
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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jw776655" <jw776655@y...> wrote:
Just so there's no misunderstanding - I disagree with virtually
everything Rob Singer writes.
Rob - You are late to the Dancer discussion.
If you go to the vpFREE board, you will see a few posts of mine over
there re: Dancer.
I did the math, and pointed out that the extra earn for a 25 cent vp
player using Dancer's penalty card strategies is 1-2 pennies per
hour, depending on the game.
(Skip Hughes had previously pointed out that the extra earn using
Dancer strategies is 00.001% and occasionally 00.002% - reducing to
the nearest hundredth of a percent, there is ZERO earn from Dancer
strategies).
Of course, I disagree completely with your ridiculous babble re:
longterm strategy.
I work out a strategy using available vp software, and follow it
completely.
Just so there's no misunderstanding - I disagree with virtually
everything Rob Singer writes.
If you only knew and if only I kept track of the numbers of players
whose first contact with me was something very similar to those
words, and then upon meeting with me most of them were truly
convinced that I really did have ideas and views that made sense,
you'd understand. So I fully understand why you say that.
Rob - You are late to the Dancer discussion.
If you go to the vpFREE board, you will see a few posts of mine
over
there re: Dancer.
I did the math, and pointed out that the extra earn for a 25 cent
vp
player using Dancer's penalty card strategies is 1-2 pennies per
hour, depending on the game.
(Skip Hughes had previously pointed out that the extra earn using
Dancer strategies is 00.001% and occasionally 00.002% - reducing to
the nearest hundredth of a percent, there is ZERO earn from Dancer
strategies).
Yes, I've followed Skip's and other's argument about penalty cards
for years. I understand it and agree with it & them.
Of course, I disagree completely with your ridiculous babble re:
longterm strategy.
Understood....but remember, I've been there (failed) and now I'm here
(succeeded). Until you experience that same type of transformation,
you will indeed label my argument ridiculous. And even if I had
succeeded at long term strategy, the effort required would in no way
have been worth my time based on profit expectation. Now I work much
harder during every session I play, but the rewards are off the map
in comparison to what I could have earned with the math system.
I work out a strategy using available vp software, and follow it
completely.
Does that mean you follow optimal play, or did you devise a
derivative?
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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jw776655" <jw776655@y...> wrote:
jw776655 wrote - "I work out a strategy using available vp
software, and follow it completely."
Rob Singer wrote - "Does that mean you follow optimal play, or did
you devise a derivative?"
I use VPSM (I'm not knocking the other software program - have had
VPSM a long time, and haven't gotten around to trying "Frugal" - I
plan to - I imagine it's a fine program).
I get the Basic Strategy from VPSM. Then I look at the Advanced
Strategy from VPSM, and usually add a few things to the Basic.
I sometimes add a few very basic penalty card situations - but not
the sort of thing Dancer is advocating where a flow chart is
necessitated.
E.g., in 9/5 Super Double Bonus, I'll play JT suited instead of KJ
if there's no flush penalty to the JT suited.
I'll play QT suited instead of Q alone if there's no flush penalty.
Plays like the above adds pennies to my bottom line, and
after taking a closer look at penalty cards, in the future I don't
plan to add any to my strategy unless they're included in the VPSM
basic strategy.
I also own everybody's strategy cards.
At the time I ordered Dancer's, he had 5 different ones.
I took them out of the envelope, looked one or two of them over, put
them back in the envelope, and haven't touched them since.
They were (and are) so obviously unnecessarily complicated - I
instead used Paymar's Optimum Play strategies which are far superior.
(Hughes hadn't put his cards out yet when I bought the Dancer cards).
Since I was mentioning vp software and cue cards, I want to make sure
I didn't unintentionally make it seem as if I'm negative about certain
products:
I think that VPSM (and TomSki) and BDPWP (and Zamzow) are terrific.
I imagine that Paymar's software is fine, but haven't had a chance to
try it. (Already said the same about Frugal).
I own Hughes' penalty cards and they seem fine, but don't think I've
used them yet.
Already mentioned my opinion of Dancer's cards.
A final word (I think) on various vp products -
As I mentioned previously, I've used Paymar's cards in the past.
I've found them to be excellent.
I also believe that he's written THE book on video poker.
(Taking over from Wong, who had written THE book up until Paymar).
Jazbo's cards are well thought out and interesting, but Paymar (and I
imagine Hughes - haven't used his cards yet)win(s) for simplicity and
ease of reading.
I'm not sure why anybody would need a strategy card supplied by anyone
for anything other than laminating it into a drink coaster. Dan Paymar
is the classic "nice guy" who only knows how to finish last. His
initial contribution was well thought out, but because it was about a
gaming subject it all went to his head. All that intellect....all those
expensive words and garbled mathematical equations in a series of
boring repetitious books....and all that effort wasted while escaping
the video poker machines to New Mexico "just in time". Wong's taken the
Paymar enterprise a step further. He wants the world to believe he's an
unbeatable gambler (for instance, he claims to be 'banned from all
casinos worldwide', yet I make it a point to check on such tales, and
the first two places I asked about that--Mandalay Bay & Wynn--both said
there's no such ban, they've heard of him, and he's welcome to come in
with whatever system he likes), but all he's done is get out of Dodge
while he still could and has instead resorted to taking other gambler's
money as fast and as often as possible. Successful gamblers would never
do that. Jazbo's respectable enough with his presented game knowledge,
but you don't see him making claims of beating the computers. Skip....I
think I've read where he himself says he can't win.
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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jw776655" <jw776655@y...> wrote:
A final word (I think) on various vp products -
As I mentioned previously, I've used Paymar's cards in the past.
I've found them to be excellent.
I also believe that he's written THE book on video poker.
(Taking over from Wong, who had written THE book up until Paymar).
Jazbo's cards are well thought out and interesting, but Paymar (and I
imagine Hughes - haven't used his cards yet)win(s) for simplicity and
ease of reading.