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Bob Dancer Classes at Greektown

#1

I will be teaching Jacks or Better classes at Greektown Casino in
downtown Detroit on Saturday April 8 and Sunday April 9.

  Jacks or Better I Sat 2-4 Sun 12-2
  Jacks or Better II Sat 5-7 Sun 3-5

Greektown is running a month-long video poker tournament in April so I
will also be giving a 10-minute "How to do well in this video poker
tournament" lecture at the end of each Jacks or Better class.

The classes are free, but space will be somewhat small (limit of 150
people in room --- and expected to be full) so they are requesting you
RSVP at (313) 223-5101, giving your name and what class or classes you
plan to attend.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

#2

Hmmmm....very interesting that you've chosen to do business with
GREEDtown, the casino that banned not only video poker players, but
ploppie slot players that were winners in 2002. Not only were the
players banned, but accumulated comps were stolen from them.

A couple stories....
http://tinyurl.com/ryqnr

http://tinyurl.com/looel

I'm friends with one of the players that was banned and to this day, I
don't believe GREEDtown returned his comps, that were legally earned,
back to him. Maybe this individual will post to the forum to add
additional information.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@...> wrote:

I will be teaching Jacks or Better classes at Greektown Casino in
downtown Detroit on Saturday April 8 and Sunday April 9.

#3

This story is over four years old.

Maybe there are new people in management now who don't treat the video poker
players the same as before?

Maybe your friend who was banned can tell us if he is still banned from
Greektown - four years later? If so, THAT would certainly influence my
decision to play there or not.

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On 3/10/06, hockeystl <vegasstl@charter.net> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@...> wrote:
>
> I will be teaching Jacks or Better classes at Greektown Casino in
> downtown Detroit on Saturday April 8 and Sunday April 9.

Hmmmm....very interesting that you've chosen to do business with
GREEDtown, the casino that banned not only video poker players, but
ploppie slot players that were winners in 2002. Not only were the
players banned, but accumulated comps were stolen from them.

A couple stories....
http://tinyurl.com/ryqnr

http://tinyurl.com/looel

I'm friends with one of the players that was banned and to this day, I
don't believe GREEDtown returned his comps, that were legally earned,
back to him. Maybe this individual will post to the forum to add
additional information.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#4

There's even a better ploppy barring story, this one out of AC, and
I've promised my AC fans that it will be a lead post in my blog as
soon as my site goes up, which should be sometime next week
(finally!). Bouncing a housewive because she got hot playing dollar
pick'em is pretty bad, but I guarantee you it's no better than #3 on
the list.

As for Greektown, it's a tossup between them and another Indian joint,
Foxwoods, as to which is the worst-run casino in the country (I hear
that they're trying harder at Resorts E. Chicago; the old Harrah's
would have gotten the bronze). Both are truly in a class by themselves.

Let me explain Detroit to you in a nutshell, because I was there the
first six months they were open. You hire second and third tier
personnel, you get the results you deserve. At least Terry Lanni
recognized that even though $100K a day would likely walk out the
door, MGM Detroit would still be very profitable. He was right on both
accounts. All I can say about Detroit is that I wished I played
machines then.

The VP at Greektown actually isn't bad, not really profitable, but at
least breakeven, and there's a decent progressive for dollars. The
Detroit mail is the worst of any major market in the country. Then
again, they did open with lots of full pay stuff, full pay video
blackjack, and the Real Loose Deuces (17-10) for halves-with 1% cb.
Like I said, I wish I had played machines then-it just looked so
boring to me.

There was a lot of business done on the drawings in Detroit. I'm not
crying for most of those who got barred.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@> wrote:
>
> I will be teaching Jacks or Better classes at Greektown Casino in
> downtown Detroit on Saturday April 8 and Sunday April 9.

Hmmmm....very interesting that you've chosen to do business with
GREEDtown, the casino that banned not only video poker players, but
ploppie slot players that were winners in 2002. Not only were the
players banned, but accumulated comps were stolen from them.

A couple stories....
http://tinyurl.com/ryqnr

http://tinyurl.com/looel

I'm friends with one of the players that was banned and to this day, I
don't believe GREEDtown returned his comps, that were legally earned,
back to him. Maybe this individual will post to the forum to add
additional information.

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#5

hocketstl wrote: Hmmmm....very interesting that you've chosen to do
business with
GREEDtown, the casino that banned not only video poker players, but
ploppie slot players that were winners in 2002.

You are correct that it is the same casino. although you appear to have
"accidentally" mispelled its name. At the time of the barring I was
quoted in the Detroit Free Press as saying that some casino managers
brought out the elephant guns because they had a problem with mice! The
quote got quite a bit of national publicity and several of these players
got in touch with me as a "kindred spirit" of sort.

When I visited the casino last year to explore the possibility of some
kind of association, I met with several of the "Greektown 9", as they
like to refer to themselves. I also directly confronted management and
said that that particular incident was a festering sore that needed to
be addressed and corrected. I told them that these players needed to be
brought back, privileges restored, and an apology issued.

The entire management team had turned over more than once between the
barring incident and the time I met with one. The casino restored
benefits (some of the players were restored before I arrived) for
8-of-the-9 players. One player remains excluded --- for additional
reasons that do not relate to the barring incident. I've spoken at
length with that player, understand the issues on both sides, and feel
that it was not appropriate for me to get in the middle of it.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

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#6

If they said they restored benefits of all but one, they are lying.
There is definitely more than one person who is still trespassed at
GREEDtown and their comps are obviously still stolen (we're talking
several hundred dollars in comps).

Then again, it shouldn't come as much of a surprise that GREEDtown
management would not be forthright with information since they are the
same casino that *recently* stated they offered 100%+ video poker on an
interstate billboard when, at the time, their best play was 9/6 JB (and
the addition of slot benefits still kept the play under 100%).

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@...> wrote:

The casino restored
benefits (some of the players were restored before I arrived) for
8-of-the-9 players. One player remains excluded --- for additional
reasons that do not relate to the barring incident.
Bob Dancer

#7

Did they do something illegal? And, if not, did they deserve to have
their comps stolen from them?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, paladingamingllc@...> wrote:

There was a lot of business done on the drawings in Detroit. I'm not
crying for most of those who got barred.

#8

When I visited the casino last year to explore the possibility of some
kind of association, I met with several of the "Greektown 9", as they
like to refer to themselves. I also directly confronted management and
said that that particular incident was a festering sore that needed to
be addressed and corrected. I told them that these players needed to be
brought back, privileges restored, and an apology issued.

The entire management team had turned over more than once between the
barring incident and the time I met with one. The casino restored
benefits (some of the players were restored before I arrived) for
8-of-the-9 players. One player remains excluded --- for additional
reasons that do not relate to the barring incident. I've spoken at
length with that player, understand the issues on both sides, and feel
that it was not appropriate for me to get in the middle of it.

Bob, since, like I said, I was there, you weren't, I may know a little
more about it than you. If you want to go play Mary Worth, that's fine
with me, but I'd advise you don't make yourself look foolish in the
process.

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#9

This particular incident is egregious enough that I can easily understand
why people have long memories. I don't play in Detroit, but if I did it
would certainly influence my decision of where to play even today.

Chandler

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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
Curtis Rich
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 6:15 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer Classes at Greektown

This story is over four years old.

Maybe there are new people in management now who don't treat the video poker
players the same as before?

Maybe your friend who was banned can tell us if he is still banned from
Greektown - four years later? If so, THAT would certainly influence my
decision to play there or not.

On 3/10/06, hockeystl <vegasstl@charter.net> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@...> wrote:
>
> I will be teaching Jacks or Better classes at Greektown Casino in
> downtown Detroit on Saturday April 8 and Sunday April 9.

Hmmmm....very interesting that you've chosen to do business with
GREEDtown, the casino that banned not only video poker players, but
ploppie slot players that were winners in 2002. Not only were the
players banned, but accumulated comps were stolen from them.

A couple stories....
http://tinyurl.com/ryqnr

http://tinyurl.com/looel

I'm friends with one of the players that was banned and to this day, I
don't believe GREEDtown returned his comps, that were legally earned,
back to him. Maybe this individual will post to the forum to add
additional information.

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#10

The pay-schedules, cash-back, comps, etc. would influence my playing there
today. Not something that the casino's former management did four years
ago.

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On 3/11/06, Chandler <omnibibulous1@comcast.net> wrote:

This particular incident is egregious enough that I can easily understand
why people have long memories. I don't play in Detroit, but if I did it
would certainly influence my decision of where to play even today.

Chandler

-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
Curtis Rich
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 6:15 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer Classes at Greektown

This story is over four years old.

Maybe there are new people in management now who don't treat the video
poker
players the same as before?

Maybe your friend who was banned can tell us if he is still banned from
Greektown - four years later? If so, THAT would certainly influence my
decision to play there or not.

On 3/10/06, hockeystl <vegasstl@charter.net> wrote:
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@...> wrote:
> > I will be teaching Jacks or Better classes at Greektown Casino in
> > downtown Detroit on Saturday April 8 and Sunday April 9.
>
> Hmmmm....very interesting that you've chosen to do business with
> GREEDtown, the casino that banned not only video poker players, but
> ploppie slot players that were winners in 2002. Not only were the
> players banned, but accumulated comps were stolen from them.
>
> A couple stories....
> http://tinyurl.com/ryqnr
>
> http://tinyurl.com/looel
>
> I'm friends with one of the players that was banned and to this day, I
> don't believe GREEDtown returned his comps, that were legally earned,
> back to him. Maybe this individual will post to the forum to add
> additional information.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#11

since, like I said, I was there, you weren't, I may know a

little more about it than you. If you want to go play Mary Worth,
that's fine with me, but I'd advise you don't make yourself look
foolish in the process.

REPLY: I really "WAS there." I'm one of the "Greektown 9," and am
acquainted with most of the others, including the one non-returnee
to whom Bob's post referred.

The barring was an intersting experience. I had been playing poker
for more tha six hours (Greektown was oblivious) until a friend
asked me to get him a snack in the VIP lounge. Swiping my card to
enter the lounge led to me being surrounded by five security
personnel. Having experienced a few Vegas BJ barrings, I was amused
even though I knew that it was going to cost me money -- about
$2,000 in accrued comps + my VIP status as it turned out.

I filed an appeal with the Michigan Gaming Board which,
unsurprisingly, found my "I was legal" arguments unpersuasive.
However, a few days later, a Greektown VP (now their CEO, I think)
called to say that I was welcome to return (sans the comps, although
I did not pursue that issue). By then,Greektown had removed all the
good VP and slashed CB and comps.

A year or so later, after firng two VP's and the CEO who triggered
the barrings, Greektown retained Dancer/Compton consulting to try to
undo the PR damage and recover the several $ millions revenue
Greektown lost as a result the PR fallout.

Thanks to Bob's consulting, Greektown now has what I believe is the
best overall VP in the Midwest. There is an ocean of FP Pick 'Em
and 9-6 JOB. + The $ Progressive Royal machines (at a bar no less)
that have FP DDB, NSUD, WHA, and JOB. It ain't VP Heaven, but it's
a whole lot better than it was pre-Dancer.

"Just my two cents," as someone else here sometimes says.

The GMan

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "paladingamingllc" wrote:

#12

SO??? How long ago was BD banned from MGM???
  Wasn't that a case of "years" ago, too??? I don't think BDs
  been welcomed back–so what's the difference???

  This story is over four years old.

Maybe there are new people in management now who don't treat the video poker
players the same as before?

Maybe your friend who was banned can tell us if he is still banned from
Greektown - four years later? If so, THAT would certainly influence my
decision to play there or not.

···

Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@gmail.com> wrote:

On 3/10/06, hockeystl <vegasstl@charter.net> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@...> wrote:
>
> I will be teaching Jacks or Better classes at Greektown Casino in
> downtown Detroit on Saturday April 8 and Sunday April 9.

Hmmmm....very interesting that you've chosen to do business with
GREEDtown, the casino that banned not only video poker players, but
ploppie slot players that were winners in 2002. Not only were the
players banned, but accumulated comps were stolen from them.

A couple stories....
http://tinyurl.com/ryqnr

http://tinyurl.com/looel

I'm friends with one of the players that was banned and to this day, I
don't believe GREEDtown returned his comps, that were legally earned,
back to him. Maybe this individual will post to the forum to add
additional information.

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#13

I can't tell you the difference because I have no idea what you're talking
about.

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On 3/11/06, K Haka <kjhaka@yahoo.com> wrote:

SO??? How long ago was BD banned from MGM???
Wasn't that a case of "years" ago, too??? I don't think BDs
been welcomed back–so what's the difference???

Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@gmail.com> wrote:
This story is over four years old.

Maybe there are new people in management now who don't treat the video
poker
players the same as before?

Maybe your friend who was banned can tell us if he is still banned from
Greektown - four years later? If so, THAT would certainly influence my
decision to play there or not.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#14

That is very practical of you. In my town the cable company has almost no
competition. After several snafus from them I decided that, even though the
cost of installation and service was higher, I would switch to satellite
service. I was essentially willing to pay not to have to deal with a
company that I didn't like and didn't trust to provide service in the
future. I have been happy with that choice for years. Gambling is a
different ball of wax, but as a recreational player I sometimes make
decisions that do not directly coincide with my bottom line. Since I don't
play Detroit it is not a question I will have to consider.

Chandler

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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
Curtis Rich
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:37 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer Classes at Greektown

The pay-schedules, cash-back, comps, etc. would influence my playing there
today. Not something that the casino's former management did four years
ago.

#15

Bob,
I tried to sign up for your classes at Greektown and was told they
were for VIP members only. I haven't played much at GT since they
kicked out the VP players. Too bad I was hoping to take my VP
playing to another notch.

I will be teaching Jacks or Better classes at Greektown Casino in
downtown Detroit on Saturday April 8 and Sunday April 9.

  Jacks or Better I Sat 2-4 Sun 12-2
  Jacks or Better II Sat 5-7 Sun 3-5

Greektown is running a month-long video poker tournament in April

so I

will also be giving a 10-minute "How to do well in this video poker
tournament" lecture at the end of each Jacks or Better class.

The classes are free, but space will be somewhat small (limit of

150

people in room --- and expected to be full) so they are requesting

you

RSVP at (313) 223-5101, giving your name and what class or classes

you

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@...> wrote:

plan to attend.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

#16

Tim said: I tried to sign up for your classes at Greektown and was told
they
were for VIP members only. I haven't played much at GT since they
kicked out the VP players.

This is NOT the way it is supposed to work. I will check into it and
report back. My guess is that you were one of the first people to call
and the person answering the phone didn't have the complete rules.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

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#17

Tim said "I tried to sign up for your classes at Greektown and was told
they
were for VIP members only."

I forwarded Tim's message (without giving his name) to Greektown's
Director of Marketing, Scott Rutledge. He immediately told me he'd look
into it, and today he responded fully: "I have discussed with the
department head and staff taking these calls and it was an obvious
mistake. I have also tried two random calls to test and we are all set
for any calls from Club members or non Club card holders alike. All
takers are welcome."

So, Tim, I suggest you try again. I'm sorry it happened to you, and at
the same time I'm glad you verbalized the problem and we were able to
get it fixed for everybody. Thank you.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf
Of Tim
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 9:28 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer Classes at Greektown

Bob,
I haven't played much at GT since they
kicked out the VP players. Too bad I was hoping to take my VP
playing to another notch.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@...> wrote:

I will be teaching Jacks or Better classes at Greektown Casino in
downtown Detroit on Saturday April 8 and Sunday April 9.

      Jacks or Better I Sat 2-4 Sun 12-2
      Jacks or Better II Sat 5-7 Sun 3-5

Greektown is running a month-long video poker tournament in April

so I

will also be giving a 10-minute "How to do well in this video poker
tournament" lecture at the end of each Jacks or Better class.

The classes are free, but space will be somewhat small (limit of

150

people in room --- and expected to be full) so they are requesting

you

RSVP at (313) 223-5101, giving your name and what class or classes

you

plan to attend.

Bob Dancer

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#18

I was called by Greektown this morning and they informed the classes
were indeed open for everyone. I signed up for the classes. Thanks

Tim

Tim said "I tried to sign up for your classes at Greektown and was

told

they
were for VIP members only."

I forwarded Tim's message (without giving his name) to Greektown's
Director of Marketing, Scott Rutledge. He immediately told me he'd

look

into it, and today he responded fully: "I have discussed with the
department head and staff taking these calls and it was an obvious
mistake. I have also tried two random calls to test and we are all

set

for any calls from Club members or non Club card holders alike. All
takers are welcome."

So, Tim, I suggest you try again. I'm sorry it happened to you, and

at

the same time I'm glad you verbalized the problem and we were able

to

get it fixed for everybody. Thank you.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On

Behalf

Of Tim
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 9:28 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer Classes at Greektown

Bob,
I haven't played much at GT since they
kicked out the VP players. Too bad I was hoping to take my VP
playing to another notch.

>
> I will be teaching Jacks or Better classes at Greektown Casino in
> downtown Detroit on Saturday April 8 and Sunday April 9.
>
> Jacks or Better I Sat 2-4 Sun 12-2
> Jacks or Better II Sat 5-7 Sun 3-5
>
> Greektown is running a month-long video poker tournament in April
so I
> will also be giving a 10-minute "How to do well in this video

poker

> tournament" lecture at the end of each Jacks or Better class.
>
> The classes are free, but space will be somewhat small (limit of
150
> people in room --- and expected to be full) so they are

requesting

you
> RSVP at (313) 223-5101, giving your name and what class or

classes

you
> plan to attend.
>
> Bob Dancer
>
> For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
> or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.
>

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