I have met both and am glad Bobhas cleared the air. Put me as afriend in his corner.
I also met Jean Scott a couple of timesand she, too, is a sweetheart.
I hope the bashers stop their attacksfrom behind their camouflage.
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jean scott has helped many tourists save money on their las vegas vacations by telling them to use coupons. this advise was not a harm to advantage players like myself. keep it up jean
--- On Fri, 11/13/09, george lee <glee4ever@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: george lee <glee4ever@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer and Jean Scott
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 12:50 PM
I have met both and am glad Bobhas cleared the air. Put me as afriend in his corner.
I also met Jean Scott a couple of timesand she, too, is a sweetheart.
I hope the bashers stop their attacksfrom behind their camouflage.
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Thank's for posting this, administrater. I'm glad you gave Bob Dancer a chance to say his piece.
Ive met both him and Jean Scott, and find them both nice people willing to share what they know. I've learned a lot from both of them.
Ned C.
The Wild Joker
--- On Fri, 11/13/09, george lee <glee4ever@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: george lee <glee4ever@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer and Jean Scott
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 12:50 PM
I have met both and am glad Bobhas cleared the air. Put me as afriend in his corner.
I also met Jean Scott a couple of timesand she, too, is a sweetheart.
I hope the bashers stop their attacksfrom behind their camouflage.
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I'm not trying to be dismissive...but pretty much every place Bob has "consulted", the video poker was worse off than before. For a $25 and up denom VP player, Bob hasn't figured out yet that "consulting" probably costs him a lot more money than actually playing...remember that deal at Caesars a few years ago where he actually discussed why this bank had 1.5% theo and the other bank had 4%? If that's not outing a play, then what is? Bob would have been a zillion percent better off by just playing it. Then, there was also the outing of the gas station play recently in a column. I mean, that was really petty, but that's pretty much where we're at with VP these days...when we're outing 1% single line plays and full pay JW machines at gas stations.
What caused my latest round of criticism of Bob was that you are probably not aware, but there have been some player restrictions at Cannery Casinos and Rampart since he started consulting. I can't help but believe the timing of his employment there, and the downgrades and player restrictions are not coincidental. The downgrades are bad enough, but it's always been my belief that if you control all the conditions of contest, and still have to back people off, then you're not doing your job correctly. This is something Bob denies, but there's a lot of evidence out there to the contrary. I could share a few stories too, there's one famous one (at least in
Bob violates a zillion unwritten rules about being an AP, Jean only a couple, but there's no doubt as to Jean's integrity. The real problem is that in our business, the really successful understand that this is something that will not get you a book deal or a spot on Oprah. It's just counterproductive. While I enjoy playing machines, it's not really sexy, and most APs would rather do something else. I mean, I was one of those who thought machines were stupid, if only I knew then what I know now. While I have many problems with Bob, it's the dissemination of information in general I have a real problem with. If you are truly a recreational player, then you should be happy with 9-6 Jacks, the occasional 8-5 Bonus, the occasional low denom Pick'Em, whatever the casino will offer you for quarters, and the occasional NSUD (another thing Bob doesn't understand is that his constant writings about NSUD have pretty much killed off that game in many places).
People like Bob and Jean write to validate their own egos, the money is secondary, trust me. The money will always be secondary because the money in publishing is dwarfed by the money from actually playing. But the other reality is, if it wasn't them, it would be someone else. The one thing I really don't understand is why the Admin of the board gives Bob a voice. He's obviously player hostile, unless you're buying his software. He's much more interested in maintaining the casino bottom line than the players'. I get the part about making your passion your empire, but what is Bob's passion these days? It doesn't appear to be playing or helping other players any more. So, send him on his way and let him help the casino make more money, or keep them a little longer from filing 11 lol.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, george lee <glee4ever@...> wrote:
I have met both and am glad Bobhas cleared the air. Put me as afriend in his corner.
I also met Jean Scott a couple of timesand she, too, is a sweetheart.
I hope the bashers stop their attacksfrom behind their camouflage.
I stated before "If you go to paladingaming.net you will see that it is nothing but a forum for a small mind that thinks any other pro VP player is stealing his thunder and ruining his world. "
His latest diatribe just validates this opinion, i.e. " While I have many problems with Bob, it's the dissemination of information in general I have a real problem with." In other words Bob is lowlife scum because he helps players like members of this board.
" The one thing I really don't understand is why the Admin of the board gives Bob a voice."
Many of us wonder the same about you.
--- On Sun, 11/15/09, WP SF <paladingamingllc@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: WP SF <paladingamingllc@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer and Jean Scott
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 10:40 AM
Bob violates a zillion unwritten rules about being an AP, Jean only a couple, but there's no doubt as to Jean's integrity. The real problem is that in our business, the really successful understand that this is something that will not get you a book deal or a spot on Oprah. It's just counterproductive.
While I have many problems with Bob, it's the dissemination of information in general I have a real problem with.
The one thing I really don't understand is why the Admin of the board gives Bob a voice.
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Whether it be Bob, Jean or Paladin, if you don't care to read what they have to write, don't read it.
I have been playing video poker recreationally since the early 80's, and yes it is not as lucrative as it used to be. It is not due to any one individual or individuals who has caused the demise.
It appears that there are some who post on this blog who either can not accept change for what it is, or blame others for their own shortcomings.
I have not met Bob, Jean or Paladin, but I have read material each of them have written, What they write is like everything in life, you take a little of it and learn, and the rest is put to the side.
Criticizing somebody else is like a buffet, dish out what you can eat.
________________________________
From: NC Wanderer <larbo929@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 9:06:54 AM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer and Jean Scott
I stated before "If you go to paladingaming.net you will see that it is nothing but a forum for a small mind that thinks any other pro VP player is stealing his thunder and ruining his world. "
His latest diatribe just validates this opinion, i.e. " While I have many problems with Bob, it's the dissemination of information in general I have a real problem with." In other words Bob is lowlife scum because he helps players like members of this board.
" The one thing I really don't understand is why the Admin of the board gives Bob a voice."
Many of us wonder the same about you.
--- On Sun, 11/15/09, WP SF <paladingamingllc@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: WP SF <paladingamingllc@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer and Jean Scott
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 10:40 AM
Bob violates a zillion unwritten rules about being an AP, Jean only a couple, but there's no doubt as to Jean's integrity. The real problem is that in our business, the really successful understand that this is something that will not get you a book deal or a spot on Oprah. It's just counterproductive.
While I have many problems with Bob, it's the dissemination of information in general I have a real problem with.
The one thing I really don't understand is why the Admin of the board gives Bob a voice.
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"...he helps players like members of this board..."
Sometimes I still wonder how a jury let OJ off for murder. Evidence as well as basic common sense and logic made the jury verdict almost incomprehensible.
But every once in a while I get some understanding of how this was possible.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, NC Wanderer <larbo929@...> wrote:
I stated before "If you go to paladingaming.net you will see that it is nothing but a forum for a small mind that thinks any other pro VP player is stealing his thunder and ruining his world. "
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His latest diatribe just validates this opinion, i.e. "Â While I have many problems with Bob, it's the dissemination of information in general I have a real problem with."Â In other words Bob is lowlife scum because he helps players like members of this board..."
<<People like Bob and Jean write to validate their own egos, the money is secondary, trust me. The money will always be secondary because the money in publishing is dwarfed by the money from actually playing.>>
It always amazes me how someone who doesn't know me personally can be so sure of my motivations. It is true that the monetary reward from writing is not at all lucrative - we do make much more money playing VP. But Brad and I are at that time of life - translate that "OLD"- that we do not NEED to work for another penny to provide ourselves with all the necessities of life and we have more luxuries than we have the energy to take advantage of.
So, we play VP only when we want to, as one of the entertainment options we enjoy. I have cut down on my writing - no new books in the pipeline - but writing about gambling, especially on my own schedule with no deadlines - is a pleasure for me.
I have loved to "teach" since I was a little girl and had two younger sisters as my students. I still love to teach - that's why I volunteer at the kindergarten down the street. Is that an ego trip? Maybe! Every time one of the kiddies hugs me and there is a light of new understanding in the eyes, I think that this is too much pay for such a small effort.
Once a teacher, always a teacher. I can't help myself!
________________
Jean $�ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/
I said it before and I will say it again. CORPRATE GREED!!! What percent hold do you think a casino has on 9/6 job? I am 100% sure it is over 0.5%.
If people would stop playing the poor paytables casinos would be forced to have better ones. 6/5 BJ. How many full tables do you see of 6/5 BJ? If people did not play them they would go away.
Jean, I have been a big fan for about 10 years. Your first book is what turned me on to the whole concept of playing smart with v.p., comps, and coupons. Just want you to know I appreciate all that you do and hope to run into you sometime during one of my trips to Vegas (or one of your trips back home).
Jane in Indy
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:
<<People like Bob and Jean write to validate their own egos, the money is
secondary, trust me. The money will always be secondary because the money in
publishing is dwarfed by the money from actually playing.>>It always amazes me how someone who doesn't know me personally can be so
sure of my motivations. It is true that the monetary reward from writing
is not at all lucrative - we do make much more money playing VP. But Brad
and I are at that time of life - translate that "OLD"- that we do not NEED
to work for another penny to provide ourselves with all the necessities of
life and we have more luxuries than we have the energy to take advantage of.So, we play VP only when we want to, as one of the entertainment options we
enjoy. I have cut down on my writing - no new books in the pipeline - but
writing about gambling, especially on my own schedule with no deadlines - is
a pleasure for me.I have loved to "teach" since I was a little girl and had two younger
sisters as my students. I still love to teach - that's why I volunteer at
the kindergarten down the street. Is that an ego trip? Maybe! Every time
one of the kiddies hugs me and there is a light of new understanding in the
eyes, I think that this is too much pay for such a small effort.Once a teacher, always a teacher. I can't help myself!
________________
Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/
"radek2166" <radek2166@...> wrote:
I said it before and I will say it again. CORPRATE GREED!!!
The majority of people on this board make efforts to maximize the profit (and minimize the loss) of their gambling. Would you call this PLAYER GREED!!!? If so, you're calling most of the members of this forum GREEDY!!! If not, you're being hypocritical.
I think he wants to get *all* the ladies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xso6I64o9XE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6PodtDfdb4&NR=1&feature=fvwp
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "WP SF" <paladingamingllc@...> wrote:
I get the part about making your passion your empire, but what is Bob's passion these days?
"Would you call this PLAYER GREED!!!? If so, you're calling most of the members of this forum GREEDY!!! If not, you're being hypocritical."
No not really. What I am saying is casions keep screwing the patrons. Most people that come to play all they really want is playtime. I have seen 6-5 JoB. THATS GREED!!!!!
The casinos are killing the goose that laid the golden egg. People will stop coming.
I used to play live poker, not anymore. 5 dollar rake? Thats around 180 dollars an hour coming off of the table. I would prefer to play online in my underware no smoke and not having to listen to stories of how the world has wronged some people. Oh and only 3 rake max no Badbeat JP or promotions. On line is a much better product.
I echo the above post. If it weren't for you, I wouldn't be living in Vegas and Lovin' Every MINUTE.
So, while you may have detractors, please know that at least in my life..you've been an inspiration..and I've NEVER been happier, more enthused about live and living large.
Hubby and I were in a rut (just entering our 50s), and moving here is the best thing that could have happened to us. We're always busy now, always have something to do..and are able to "budget" gambling and have more food/room offers/stuff and fun than we know what to do with.
so..from me ..THANK YOU!!
cam
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jane0662" <jane.whitaker@...> wrote:
Jean, I have been a big fan for about 10 years. Your first book is what turned me on to the whole concept of playing smart with v.p., comps, and coupons. Just want you to know I appreciate all that you do and hope to run into you sometime during one of my trips to Vegas (or one of your trips back home).
Jane in Indy
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@> wrote:
>
> <<People like Bob and Jean write to validate their own egos, the money is
> secondary, trust me. The money will always be secondary because the money in
> publishing is dwarfed by the money from actually playing.>>
>
> It always amazes me how someone who doesn't know me personally can be so
> sure of my motivations. It is true that the monetary reward from writing
> is not at all lucrative - we do make much more money playing VP. But Brad
> and I are at that time of life - translate that "OLD"- that we do not NEED
> to work for another penny to provide ourselves with all the necessities of
> life and we have more luxuries than we have the energy to take advantage of.
>
> So, we play VP only when we want to, as one of the entertainment options we
> enjoy. I have cut down on my writing - no new books in the pipeline - but
> writing about gambling, especially on my own schedule with no deadlines - is
> a pleasure for me.
>
> I have loved to "teach" since I was a little girl and had two younger
> sisters as my students. I still love to teach - that's why I volunteer at
> the kindergarten down the street. Is that an ego trip? Maybe! Every time
> one of the kiddies hugs me and there is a light of new understanding in the
> eyes, I think that this is too much pay for such a small effort.
>
> Once a teacher, always a teacher. I can't help myself!
> ________________
> Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
> http://queenofcomps.com/
> You can read my blog at
> http://jscott.lvablog.com/
>
Thanx to all who have written to say they have been helped by my writing. As I have said before, it's people like these who keep me from retiring!!!! 
I probably shouldn't have responded in the first place - and I wasn't really trying to "defend" myself. I just like people to know about and see examples of gamblers who are not consumed by greed. Some (not as many as used to) need to be extremely intense about gambling because it is their complete livelihood. In other fields they would be applauded for their work ethic. They should not be criticized for doing their "job" the best way they can.
Others view gambling purely as recreation and aren't as "intense" about it. Some view it as a hobby but work hard to make it a profit-making one.
All different kinds of gamblers - a wide variety of goals. We are all on this list to gain information and/or share the casino experience. Hopefully we can exist peacefully.
________________
Jean $�ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/
Very well said!
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:
All different kinds of gamblers - a wide variety of goals. We are all on
this list to gain information and/or share the casino experience. Hopefully
we can exist peacefully.
________________
Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/
"Some (not as many as used to) need to be extremely intense about gambling because it is their complete livelihood.
In other fields they would be applauded for their work
ethic.
They should not be criticized for doing their "job" the best way
they can."
True.
"All different kinds of gamblers - a wide variety of goals. We are all on this list to gain information and/or share the casino experience. Hopefully we can exist peacefully."
Gaining information can sometimes, unfortunately, mean gaining information on an individual/individuals who are being destructive towards opportunities and/or towards other gamblers.
This information is as valuable as any other information, and this board is serving a useful function by conveying this information.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:
PS - Was not referring in my post to Jean Scott.
Just commenting on her comments.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jw776655" <jw776655@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@> wrote:
"Some (not as many as used to) need to be extremely intense about gambling because it is their complete livelihood.
In other fields they would be applauded for their work
ethic.
They should not be criticized for doing their "job" the best way
they can."True.
"All different kinds of gamblers - a wide variety of goals. We are all on this list to gain information and/or share the casino experience. Hopefully we can exist peacefully."
Gaining information can sometimes, unfortunately, mean gaining information on an individual/individuals who are being destructive towards opportunities and/or towards other gamblers.
This information is as valuable as any other information, and this board is serving a useful function by conveying this information.