Can not get Winpoker to figure return on this game
Someone please help
Thanks!!!
Paytable
Royal 4000
4 Aces with black Jack 4000
4 Aces 800
4 2's,3's,4's with black jack 800
4 2's,3's,4's 400
4 5's thru Kings 125
Straight flush 250
Full house 45
Flush 30
Straight 20
3 of a kind 15
Two Pair 5
Pair Jacks or better 5
Black Jack Bonus Poker
The Wizard of Odds has a little information on this unusual game. I
have played this game, but I have never seen the version you listed.
The Wizard gives the standard 9/6 BJBP at 98.10% return. However here
is the version I have seen in the casinos:
Royal flush 4000
Straight flush 250
Four aces plus black jack 4000
Four 2-4 plus black jack 2000
Four 5-K plus black jack 800
Four aces or jacks 800
Four 2-4 400
Four 5-10,Q,K 125
Full house 45
Flush 30
Straight 20
Three of a kind 15
Two pair 5
Jacks or better 5
I have been trying to figure out the strategy on this game but I have
not found anyone that has reviewed this game. Anyone done some
research on this game?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "missionmfg" <jones@...> wrote:
Can not get Winpoker to figure return on this game
Someone please help
Thanks!!!
Paytable
Royal 4000
4 Aces with black Jack 4000
4 Aces 800
4 2's,3's,4's with black jack 800
4 2's,3's,4's 400
4 5's thru Kings 125
Straight flush 250
Full house 45
Flush 30
Straight 20
3 of a kind 15
Two Pair 5
Pair Jacks or better 5
I don't know, but it looks like a really bad game with only 125 on
the quad 5-k. You might want to check the paytable again as this
looks almost too bad to be true.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "missionmfg" <jones@...> wrote:
Can not get Winpoker to figure return on this game
Someone please help
Thanks!!!
Paytable
Royal 4000
4 Aces with black Jack 4000
4 Aces 800
4 2's,3's,4's with black jack 800
4 2's,3's,4's 400
4 5's thru Kings 125
Straight flush 250
Full house 45
Flush 30
Straight 20
3 of a kind 15
Two Pair 5
Pair Jacks or better 5
The Wizard of Odds has a little information on this unusual game. I
have played this game, but I have never seen the version you
listed.
The Wizard gives the standard 9/6 BJBP at 98.10% return. However
here
is the version I have seen in the casinos:
Royal flush 4000
Straight flush 250
Four aces plus black jack 4000
Four 2-4 plus black jack 2000
Four 5-K plus black jack 800
Four aces or jacks 800
Four 2-4 400
Four 5-10,Q,K 125
Full house 45
Flush 30
Straight 20
Three of a kind 15
Two pair 5
Jacks or better 5I have been trying to figure out the strategy on this game but I
have
not found anyone that has reviewed this game. Anyone done some
research on this game?
The best paying version of this game is 9-7 for FH-FL. The payback
for this game is around 99.3%. That would make the above paytable
around 98.2%.
The strategy for the full pay version is complex due to several
factors, not the least of which (for the 9-7 version) is keeping the
3FL holds similar to FPDB. This game can be found at Sam's Town
(there also used to be one at the Rio). Here's a strategy I concocked
for the 9-7 game. If anyone has any questions I will try to answer
them although it's been a couple of years since I built this
strategy. Keep in mind that no one verified this work and I only
spent about one day on it.
BlackJack Bonus Poker Strategy
800.0000 Pat Royal
800.0000 Pat Four Aces, w/bj
400.0000 Pat Four 2,3,4, w/bj
187.2340 Four Aces
160.0000 Pat Four 5's to K's, w/bj
93.6170 Four 2,3,4
50.0000 Pat Straight Flush
30.7447 Four 5's to K's
20.3404 3 Aces, w/bj
18.5745 4 Royal
11.8298 3 2s, 3s or 4s, w/bj
11.2313 3 Aces
10.0472 3 Jacks
9.0000 Pat Full House
7.7234 3 5-Ts,QKs, w/bj
7.2350 3 234s
7.0000 Pat Flush
4.5523 3 5-Ts,QKs
4.0000 Pat Straight
3.7447 4 STFL, Open, 2345-9TJQ
2.5745 4 STFL, Inside
1.9611 Pair Aces, w/bj
1.8303 Pair Aces
1.7531 Pair Jacks
1.6809 Two Pair
1.5430 3 RF, QJT
1.5319 4 Flush (3 hc)
1.5476 3 RF, KQJ
1.4681 4 Flush (2 hc)
1.4524 3 RF, AKQ, AKJ, AQJ
1.4477 3 RF, KQT, KJT
1.4043 4 Flush (1 hc)
1.3933 Pair QQ, KK
1.3524 3 RF, AKT, AQT, AJT
1.3404 4 Flush (no hc)
0.8723 TJQK
0.8501 Pair 234s, w/bj
0.8559 Pair 234s
0.8085 9TJQ
0.7539 3 STF, QJ9
0.7447 89TJ
0.7493 3 STF, JT9
0.6809 4 ST, Open, 2345-789T
0.6805 Pair 5-Ts
0.6586 3 STF, QJ8, KQ9, KJ9
0.6540 3 STF, QT9, JT8, J98
0.6494 3 STF, Open, 345-89T
0.5957 AKQJ
0.6104 2 RF, AJ, w/bj
0.6073 2 RF, QJ, w/bj
0.5990 2 RF, QJ
0.5891 2 RF, KJ, w/bj
0.5808 2 RF, KJ
0.5709 2 RF, AJ
0.5634 3 FL (2 hc)
0.5725 2 RF, KQ
0.5626 2 RF, AK, AQ
0.5587 3 STFL, 2 Gaps, 1 hc
0.5441 3 STFL, 1 Gap, 0 hc
0.5319 4 ST, Inside, 3 hc
0.4981 2 RF, JT, w/bj
0.4905 AJ, w/bj
0.4903 KQJ
0.4806 Black Jack
0.4681 4 ST, Inside, 2 hc
0.4703 QJ
0.4703 2 RF, JT
0.4721 Red Jack
0.4685 Ace
0.4635 3 FL, 1 Hi Card
0.4632 2 RF, QT
0.4628 KJ
0.4588 3 STFL, 2 Gaps, 0 hc
0.4502 KQ
0.4450 2 RF, KT
0.4402 Queen
0.4343 King
0.3636 3 FL, 0 hc
0.3404 4 ST, Inside, 0 hc
0.3260 Redraw
Payback ~ 99.34
Variance ~ 66
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hamstockman" <AB6PQ@...> wrote:
While at Sam's Town earlier today, I came across Black Jack Bonus
Poker in 2 versions. One was the 9-7 FH/FL, and the other was an 8-6
FH/FL with progressives on the RF, 4 Aces w/BJ, 4 2s-4s w/BJ, and 4K
other w/BJ. In Message #70083 "mroejacks" <rgmustain@...> wrote a
strategy for the 9-7 version of this game. He figured the payback
for this game at around 99.3%. I believe that payback qualifies for
this game to be listed on the Index & Summary page for Sam's Town,
even though it's a very difficult game to play. I'd like to know if
anyone knows the 100% figures needed for the progressive version. I'd
also like to know if the strategy for this game is similar to OEJ
since they both have 2 wild Jacks.
Thanx.
BJBP does not have two wild jacks. The jacks in this game are kickers
which make it significantly different from OEJs. I think you'll find
the answers to most of your questions here:
http://www.vpgenius.com/video-poker/black-jack-bonus-poker.aspx
I believe I posted a simple strategy here at one time. I hope the two
strategies agree. Good luck.
Dick
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpcostsmoney" <vpcostsmoney@...> wrote:
While at Sam's Town earlier today, I came across Black Jack Bonus
Poker in 2 versions. One was the 9-7 FH/FL, and the other was an 8-6
FH/FL with progressives on the RF, 4 Aces w/BJ, 4 2s-4s w/BJ, and 4K
other w/BJ. In Message #70083 "mroejacks" <rgmustain@> wrote a
strategy for the 9-7 version of this game. He figured the payback
for this game at around 99.3%. I believe that payback qualifies for
this game to be listed on the Index & Summary page for Sam's Town,
even though it's a very difficult game to play. I'd like to know if
anyone knows the 100% figures needed for the progressive version. I'd
also like to know if the strategy for this game is similar to OEJ
since they both have 2 wild Jacks.
mroejacks wrote:
BJBP does not have two wild jacks. The jacks in this game are
kickers
which make it significantly different from OEJs. I think you'll
find
the answers to most of your questions here:
http://www.vpgenius.com/video-poker/black-jack-bonus-poker.aspx
I believe I posted a simple strategy here at one time. I hope the
two
strategies agree. Good luck.
My strategy is likely different from yours because my strategies
don't yet take into consideration the interaction between plays that
occur in the same hand. The list is simply sorted by the average
value of each play, based solely on hands where that was the best
play. This results in some inaccuracies with "muddy" plays (those
near the bottom of the strategy).
One of the difficulties with BJBP is that it is suit-specific,
meaning that the game cannot be analyzed using the 134,459 unique
hands. I don't yet offer real-time analysis of custom paytables for
this game, but I will in the near future. It turns out that the
2,598,960 hands can be boiled down to 327,248 unique patterns,
meaning that the analysis of the game will take about 2.5 times as
long as Jacks or Better.
I also worked out a similar simplification for OEJ, which can be
boiled down to 700,544 unique hands. I will have real-time analyzers
available for both games sometime within the next few weeks.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "VPGenius" <vpgenius@...> wrote:
My strategy is likely different from yours because my strategies
don't yet take into consideration the interaction between plays
that
occur in the same hand. The list is simply sorted by the average
value of each play, based solely on hands where that was the best
play. This results in some inaccuracies with "muddy" plays (those
near the bottom of the strategy).
Yes, I knew that, but I think most of the two strategies should be
close if mine is not too far off. I think it's more of a problem with
OEJs since it has so many more potential holds.
BTW, have you done any work to determine how far off this "sorting"
technique is from perfect strategy in overall payback?
One of the difficulties with BJBP is that it is suit-specific,
meaning that the game cannot be analyzed using the 134,459 unique
hands. I don't yet offer real-time analysis of custom paytables for
this game, but I will in the near future. It turns out that the
2,598,960 hands can be boiled down to 327,248 unique patterns,
meaning that the analysis of the game will take about 2.5 times as
long as Jacks or Better.I also worked out a similar simplification for OEJ, which can be
boiled down to 700,544 unique hands. I will have real-time
analyzers
available for both games sometime within the next few weeks.
These numbers provide support for the supposition that OEJs may be
the toughest game to learn expert strategy.
mroejacks wrote:
BTW, have you done any work to determine how far off this "sorting"
technique is from perfect strategy in overall payback?
I haven't, but I have tried to make it clear in the help page and the
strategy guide programming page that common sense should be used with
questionable-looking entries.
A perfect example with this game is a Pair of 2,3,4 with a Black Jack
versus a Pair of 2,3,4 by itself:
(a) Pair of 2,3,4, no BJ dealt: EV = $4.2797
(b) Pair of 2,3,4 + Black Jack: EV = $4.2507
(c) Pair of 2,3,4, BJ discarded: EV = $4.1810
Since (c) is not the correct play, it never brings down the average
value of (a), therefore (b) ends up looking like a less-valuable
hand. The strategy you posted correctly places a Pair of 2,3,4+BJ
higher than a Pair of 2,3,4 alone, despite the fact that it has a
lower EV.
This is something that I plan to work out soon because it has been
bothering me. It is incorrect to sort the list based upon each
play's EV, which is what I currently do, so another mechanism is
needed. What that mechanism is, I haven't quite figured out yet.
Would it be possible to just have a link to an Errata page for games
like BJBP which have similar problems like a hand with a BJ being in
the wrong order?
I found your website and downloaded the strategy for the 9-7 version
of BJBP into a MS Works spreadsheet. I'm waiting to buy some legal
paper so that I can print it out on a single side. I might try
playing the game next week and will let you know how I feel about it.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "VPGenius" <vpgenius@...> wrote:
mroejacks wrote:
> BTW, have you done any work to determine how far off this "sorting"
> technique is from perfect strategy in overall payback?I haven't, but I have tried to make it clear in the help page and the
strategy guide programming page that common sense should be used with
questionable-looking entries.A perfect example with this game is a Pair of 2,3,4 with a Black Jack
versus a Pair of 2,3,4 by itself:(a) Pair of 2,3,4, no BJ dealt: EV = $4.2797
(b) Pair of 2,3,4 + Black Jack: EV = $4.2507
(c) Pair of 2,3,4, BJ discarded: EV = $4.1810Since (c) is not the correct play, it never brings down the average
value of (a), therefore (b) ends up looking like a less-valuable
hand. The strategy you posted correctly places a Pair of 2,3,4+BJ
higher than a Pair of 2,3,4 alone, despite the fact that it has a
lower EV.This is something that I plan to work out soon because it has been
bothering me. It is incorrect to sort the list based upon each
play's EV, which is what I currently do, so another mechanism is
needed. What that mechanism is, I haven't quite figured out yet.