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#1

It is all right to bitch about casinos on this forum - we all get frustrated with their changes, their policies, just anything that isn't what we "like." But so many of you seem to think that the sole purpose for casinos to exist is to satisfy your personal likes and wants and the rest of the customers be damned!!!!!!

I find it much more profitable to pick and choose among the thousands of options casinos provide me and find the options that appeal or are profitable to me and take advantage of them to the hilt. I don't have time to worry about or criticize the options that I reject - I realize that they may be very lucrative to the casinos and after all they are in the business to make money and/or they may be attractive and even useful to many other players who are in different circumstances than I am or have different goals.

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#2

YEP! There is no free lunch.

I find it much more profitable to pick and choose among the

thousands of options casinos provide me and find the options that
appeal or are profitable to me and take advantage of them to the
hilt. I don't have time to worry about or criticize the options that
I reject.

Why expend so much energy on the negative?

Thanks Jean and Dan and Bob and Skip and Tom and Jazbo and all the
others who have helped me to focus on the positive.

Steve

#3

Well, I notice two distinct, divergent trains of thought on short-pay
games:

One train says that by PLAYING short-pay, WE collectively are telling
the casino manager that it is OK to install these machines. We
collectively VOTE with our dollars. Non-full-pay players are thought
to be RUINING it for the rest of us!

The other train says that if not for the action on these short pay VP
machines, that the casinos won't make money on VP and might not have
ANY full-pay. Non-full-play players are thought to be doing us a
Favor!

Cetainly two different ways to think of it.

As is usually the case, I'm guessing the true story is somewhere in-
between. The casinos make changes trying to find the happy median
between full-pay and short-pay. Some casinos stumble thru the
inventory change AWKWARDLY by swapping out too many machines too
suddenly. Players react swiftly and loudly and get all upset. Maybe
there's no smooth way to swap out machines, but maybe there is, but
we and they seem to be in a perpetual trial period/learning curve.

Maybe places like the Palms are our favorites for now, while they
have a big inventory of full-pay. Who knows if this will last, maybe
another casino will swoop in with some more full-pay.

And of course, there the other tangibles of bounce-back, cash-back
and point-based comps that can make for a real % in the total
formula. Casinos are in the midst of messing with these all the time
too, trying to find the optimal formula for keeping us and them
happy.

The even-keeled players adjust for the change. Who knows if public
whining does any good. (?) I think I'll write a blurb about it for
PLAYBACK magazine...a rag that supposedly gets read by casino execs.

What a zoo.
~MARK

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ddjpus" <doubleb107@a...> wrote:

YEP! There is no free lunch.

Why expend so much energy on the negative?

Thanks Jean and Dan and Bob and Skip and Tom and Jazbo and all the
others who have helped me to focus on the positive.

Steve

#4

Mark wrote:

Well, I notice two distinct, divergent trains of thought on
short-pay games:

One train says that by PLAYING short-pay, WE collectively are
telling the casino manager that it is OK to install these machines.
We collectively VOTE with our dollars. Non-full-pay players are
thought to be RUINING it for the rest of us!

The other train says that if not for the action on these short pay
VP machines, that the casinos won't make money on VP and might not
have ANY full-pay. Non-full-play players are thought to be doing us
a Favor!

I think your second train ran off the track.

The second "track" is that ideally you want the
non-full-play/non-strategy players to also demand "full-pay" machines,
since it's when these machines are played by the lesser knowledgable
player the casino hold becomes more attractive -- offering the best
assurance that full-pay games will continue to be offered.

(Which is not to say that one still shouldn't have some appreciation
for the bottom line contribution that a 6/5 JB player makes. But the
truth is their play is more likely to work against the presence of
full pay machines that toward.)

- Harry

#5

YEP! There is no free lunch.

> I find it much more profitable to pick and choose among the
thousands of options casinos provide me and find the options that
appeal or are profitable to me and take advantage of them to the
hilt. I don't have time to worry about or criticize the options

that

I reject.

Why expend so much energy on the negative?

I don't know when describing becomes criticizing, and criticizing
becomes bitching. But as someone whose visits to LV are fairly far
between, I hope people will keep their negative comments coming,
along with the positive ones. I like to stay at a property where I'm
going to play, and one of the major reasons I read this forum is to
be forewarned about changes that may have happened at any particular
place. If people get a little bit testy I don't mind, and I
understand it. Maybe that's because I am an out-of-towner and I don't
gamble anywhere local to me any more. I stopped because the Chicago
area casinos have become too much of a pain. You probably didn't hear
me bitching about that much, because it's simple enough to stop
dropping by a place. On the other hand, if you come from out of town
to stay for a week and gamble, and you find your good games gone,
your host moved on, and the comps system not what it was two months
ago, it affects your whole week-- not to mentioned your planned
budget for the trip-- and when you come home, you're going to want to
bitch.

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