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Sometimes I can't see the forest for the trees, so this is probably a really dumb question that will raise a lot of chuckles, but can Bob or someone else please clarify what the first three columns represent in the the 'Tables' in this article? Bob begins to explain the tables, but only goes as far as mentioning that the column on the far left is the "target" return. I noticed that this is the third column, 'rounded'. But what is the second column: "Return on One Hand" ... and how is it used or related in comparison with either the 1st or 3rd columns?
Thanks.
Bill Velek
I assumed when reading the article, but did not verify it myself
that that is the return if you don't play both paytables. The game
allows you to play the game as a 'standard' VP machine if you'd like.
Elliot Frome
vp_FREE wrote:
> Strictly Slots article by Bob Dancer ***
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2r9zcSometimes I can't see the forest for the trees, so this is
probably a
really dumb question that will raise a lot of chuckles, but can
Bob or
someone else please clarify what the first three columns represent
in
the the 'Tables' in this article? Bob begins to explain the
tables, but
only goes as far as mentioning that the column on the far left is
the
"target" return. I noticed that this is the third
column, 'rounded'.
But what is the second column: "Return on One Hand" ... and how is
it
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used or related in comparison with either the 1st or 3rd columns?
Thanks.
Bill Velek
Sometimes I can't see the forest for the trees, so this is probably a
really dumb question that will raise a lot of chuckles, but can Bob or
someone else please clarify what the first three columns represent in
the the 'Tables' in this article? Bob begins to explain the tables, but
only goes as far as mentioning that the column on the far left is the
"target" return. I noticed that this is the third column, 'rounded'.
But what is the second column: "Return on One Hand" ... and how is it
used or related in comparison with either the 1st or 3rd columns?Thanks.
Bill Velek
Bill, check out http://www.bigsplitpoker.com/
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Bill Velek wrote:
... please clarify what the first three columns represent in
the 'Tables' in this article? Bob begins to explain the tables, but
only goes as far as mentioning that the column on the far left is
the "target" return. I noticed that this is the third column,
'rounded'. But what is the second column: "Return on One Hand" ...
and how is it used or related in comparison with either the 1st or
3rd columns?
As Elliot suggests, the "Return on One Hand" reflects the game return
when only the 5-card paytable is played.
The difference between this return and the "Max Return" column value
is the payout multiplier generated by playing the 3-card paytable as well.
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Because both values are provided, you can back into the expected
payout multiplier value from playing the 3-card paytable.
Keep in mind that when you double your wager to play the 3-card
paytable in addition to the 5-card one, the return contribution of the
5-card paytable is halved -- you're wagering twice as much but the
5-card pays don't increase (ignoring RF bonus on max coin). The
balance of the return comes from the 3-card hand now.
So, look at Table 1 in the article -- Big Split Poker (no wilds)
Returns/Pays):
The "100 Pct." entry for the game lists the "Return on One Hand" as
96.74% and the "Max Return" as 99.95%.
To determine the expected 3-card payout multiplier, divide the "Max
Return" (99.95%) by one-half of the "Return on One Hand" (96.74/2).
This calculates an expected multiplier of 2.07x.
If you perform a similar calculation for the other versions of the BSP
(no wilds) game (94%-99%), the multiplier result is essentially
constant. (Actually, it varies from 2.06 to 2.09, reflecting vary
minor variations on strategy when the paytable is changed.)
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By the way, for those who haven't had a chance to check out the
article and the shockwave version of the game, the above discussion
makes the game appear far more complicated than it is.
It's a very straightforward game once you grasp the payout mechanism
and the strategy is minimal, yet the action is fast-paced and exciting.
- Harry
Does anyone know of a casino that is actually offering Big Split?
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go to the ledgaming.com site.
on of the blue hyperlinks on the bigsplit page goes to a list of Nevada casinos
that have the game.
I only remember Atlantis , Reno; Peppermill, Reno; Orleans, Las Vegas.
Besides, we wouldn't want to spoon feed you with an easy answer: the
complete answer is a few clicks away.
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Does anyone know of a casino that is actually offering Big Split?
You can play Big Split Poker at the following locations.
Atlantis Casino Resort - Reno, NV
MGM Grand - Las Vegas, NV
Terrible's Casino Hotel - Las Vegas, NV
New York New York Hotel & Casino - Las Vegas, NV
The Orleans Hotel & Casino - Las Vegas, NV
Peppermill Reno Hotel Casino - Reno, NV
Pete... consider yourself spoon fed....
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go to the ledgaming.com site.
on of the blue hyperlinks on the bigsplit page goes to a list of Nevada
casinos
that have the game.
I only remember Atlantis , Reno; Peppermill, Reno; Orleans, Las Vegas.
Besides, we wouldn't want to spoon feed you with an easy answer: the
complete answer is a few clicks away.
~Mark
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Steve Jacobsen wrote:
You can play Big Split Poker at the following locations.
Atlantis Casino Resort - Reno, NV
MGM Grand - Las Vegas, NV
Terrible's Casino Hotel - Las Vegas, NV
New York New York Hotel & Casino - Las Vegas, NV
The Orleans Hotel & Casino - Las Vegas, NV
Well, never mind the MGM. They're located by the Rainforest Cafe, and are set at the 97.9% pay schedule in quarters, and worse in dimes and nickles.
John
Steve Jacobsen wrote:
> You can play Big Split Poker at the following locations.
>
> Atlantis Casino Resort - Reno, NV
> MGM Grand - Las Vegas, NV
> Terrible's Casino Hotel - Las Vegas, NV
> New York New York Hotel & Casino - Las Vegas, NV
> The Orleans Hotel & Casino - Las Vegas, NV
>Well, never mind the MGM. They're located by the Rainforest Cafe,
and
are set at the 97.9% pay schedule in quarters, and worse in dimes
and
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nickles.
John
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97.9% ? No wonder I don't see anyone playing those 4 machines
(located behing the Multi-Strike machines) at The Orleans last
weekend. Royal Flush pays 1,000 credits and only 4 games available:
Bonus, Deuces Wild, Joker, and Joker Joker. Pretty slow game too.
So, it looks like this new vp game will not be a "hit" afterall.
Scrub the ones at NYNY as well. Located under the "Elvis" sign near NFI; and all paying 97.9% or less.
Bad paytables aside, whereas Multistrike was an instant hit, Big Split isn't getting much play. I don't think it will catch on. The lack of a "draw" eliminates that moment of adrenaline-pumping anticipation that we crave.
John
gilbert_616 wrote:
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Kelly <jwkelly@f...> wrote:
Steve Jacobsen wrote:
You can play Big Split Poker at the following locations.
Atlantis Casino Resort - Reno, NV
MGM Grand - Las Vegas, NV
Terrible's Casino Hotel - Las Vegas, NV
New York New York Hotel & Casino - Las Vegas, NV
The Orleans Hotel & Casino - Las Vegas, NVWell, never mind the MGM. They're located by the Rainforest Cafe,
and
are set at the 97.9% pay schedule in quarters, and worse in dimes
and
nickles.
John
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97.9% ? No wonder I don't see anyone playing those 4 machines (located behing the Multi-Strike machines) at The Orleans last weekend. Royal Flush pays 1,000 credits and only 4 games available: Bonus, Deuces Wild, Joker, and Joker Joker. Pretty slow game too.
So, it looks like this new vp game will not be a "hit" afterall.