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Best place to grind seven stars?

#1

What is the 'best' casino in the country to grind out Caesars Seven Stars ($1,000,000 coin-in I think unless somewhere you get a bonus)? Right now I have no history with any casino outside of vegas, so I have not gotten any bonus point offers or anything like that.

I see on vpfree that Horseshoe Hammond has some amazing games like 50 line $1 Deuces Wild 44 which has 99.96% payout. That could get me there in no time with way less variance than higher coin machines. But I heard that they withhold taxes on large payouts that you can't get back even though I would likely have no net win when I do my taxes. Is this true even for out of state residents?

The only other good machines I see are some at Tunica Roadhouse Casino And Hotel, the best being a 99.92% $5 machine. That would require 40,000 hands to get to Seven Star but that's pretty manageable over a long week. But I hear they are closed because of flooding and who knows when they will open again and if the profitable machines will still be there.

Other than that my only option to do it without giving up many thousands in theo is some bonus point day at a casino offering 99.5% machines. Given that I have no history with any, who would be the most likely to give me such incentives?

#2

The best here in So Cal is Harrah's Rincon that has multi days at 4X for Diamond.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "TedZ" <alienantfarm82@...> wrote:

What is the 'best' casino in the country to grind out Caesars Seven Stars ($1,000,000 coin-in I think unless somewhere you get a bonus)? Right now I have no history with any casino outside of vegas, so I have not gotten any bonus point offers or anything like that.

I see on vpfree that Horseshoe Hammond has some amazing games like 50 line $1 Deuces Wild 44 which has 99.96% payout. That could get me there in no time with way less variance than higher coin machines. But I heard that they withhold taxes on large payouts that you can't get back even though I would likely have no net win when I do my taxes. Is this true even for out of state residents?

The only other good machines I see are some at Tunica Roadhouse Casino And Hotel, the best being a 99.92% $5 machine. That would require 40,000 hands to get to Seven Star but that's pretty manageable over a long week. But I hear they are closed because of flooding and who knows when they will open again and if the profitable machines will still be there.

Other than that my only option to do it without giving up many thousands in theo is some bonus point day at a casino offering 99.5% machines. Given that I have no history with any, who would be the most likely to give me such incentives?

#3

They withhold the IN state income tax of 3.4% at Hammond. Playing 50 play $
will generate that quite often. (Also I think the machine will lock up so
play can be very slow.) They still do have the 15-11-4-4 deuces and also 8-5
super aces. All MS casinos on the Mississippi river will be closed for at
least 30 days. Also a 3% "tax" is withheld on $1200+ and not all states
allow the reciprocal deduction on their returns.

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
TedZ
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 11:11 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Best place to grind seven stars?

What is the 'best' casino in the country to grind out Caesars Seven Stars
($1,000,000 coin-in I think unless somewhere you get a bonus)? Right now I
have no history with any casino outside of vegas, so I have not gotten any
bonus point offers or anything like that.

I see on vpfree that Horseshoe Hammond has some amazing games like 50 line
$1 Deuces Wild 44 which has 99.96% payout. That could get me there in no
time with way less variance than higher coin machines. But I heard that they
withhold taxes on large payouts that you can't get back even though I would
likely have no net win when I do my taxes. Is this true even for out of
state residents?

The only other good machines I see are some at Tunica Roadhouse Casino And
Hotel, the best being a 99.92% $5 machine. That would require 40,000 hands
to get to Seven Star but that's pretty manageable over a long week. But I
hear they are closed because of flooding and who knows when they will open
again and if the profitable machines will still be there.

Other than that my only option to do it without giving up many thousands in
theo is some bonus point day at a casino offering 99.5% machines. Given that
I have no history with any, who would be the most likely to give me such
incentives?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#4

Dealing with taxes may end up being pretty annoying. I know I can claim a credit on my state tax return for tax I was 'required to pay' to another jurisdiction. Are these taxes required to be paid to MS for winnings, or is it just a withholding that you should be able to claim back if it turns out you don't owe anything at year end? Can anyone point me to a good source of info about the various gambling tax laws for the following States which all have machines that seem promising?:

NJ
NC
LA
MS
IA
MO

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pyiddy" <pyiddy@...> wrote:

They withhold the IN state income tax of 3.4% at Hammond. Playing 50 play $
will generate that quite often. (Also I think the machine will lock up so
play can be very slow.) They still do have the 15-11-4-4 deuces and also 8-5
super aces. All MS casinos on the Mississippi river will be closed for at
least 30 days. Also a 3% "tax" is withheld on $1200+ and not all states
allow the reciprocal deduction on their returns.

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
TedZ
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 11:11 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Best place to grind seven stars?

What is the 'best' casino in the country to grind out Caesars Seven Stars

#5

And I had some questions about rewards credits. I'm confused about base vs. bonus, how you earn each, and what is good for cash back vs. what you get for comps.

1. I played in the poker room in vegas and they gave us $1 comp dollar per hour, but it was 30 base credits (ie tier score) and 70 bonus credits for a combined 100 rewards credit. My understanding is that base credits and bonus credits spend exactly the same, but only base counts towards tiers of the program. So I get to spend 100 credits, but I don't consume base credits they are just a running tally on my tier score. Is that accurate?

2. On VPFree I see "CB or BBC: 450 Reward Credits = $1, Earned Comps: 100 Reward Credits = $1, Cashback AND Comps" listed for Horseshoe Hammond. I don't really understand what that means. Let's say I wagered $4500 on VP there. I should earn 450 base credits which equal $4.50 comp dollars AND $1 in cash back?

3. Absent any point multiplier promotions do you normally get extra bonus points just for being a certain tier in the rewards program? Like in poker we got 30 base + 70 bonus per hour, is there a similar thing in VP that is accessible 365 days a year?

4. It sounds like if I do the full 100,000 for 7star I will get at least 1,000 comp dollars (and possibly several times this depending on how point multipliers work). Can I use these on a 1-1 ratio to pay for rooms and meals and caesars properties? What types of other things could I spend them on? Do they work for shows?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pyiddy" <pyiddy@...> wrote:

They withhold the IN state income tax of 3.4% at Hammond. Playing 50 play $
will generate that quite often. (Also I think the machine will lock up so
play can be very slow.) They still do have the 15-11-4-4 deuces and also 8-5
super aces. All MS casinos on the Mississippi river will be closed for at
least 30 days. Also a 3% "tax" is withheld on $1200+ and not all states
allow the reciprocal deduction on their returns.

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
TedZ
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 11:11 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Best place to grind seven stars?

What is the 'best' casino in the country to grind out Caesars Seven Stars
($1,000,000 coin-in I think unless somewhere you get a bonus)? Right now I
have no history with any casino outside of vegas, so I have not gotten any
bonus point offers or anything like that.

I see on vpfree that Horseshoe Hammond has some amazing games like 50 line
$1 Deuces Wild 44 which has 99.96% payout. That could get me there in no
time with way less variance than higher coin machines. But I heard that they
withhold taxes on large payouts that you can't get back even though I would
likely have no net win when I do my taxes. Is this true even for out of
state residents?

The only other good machines I see are some at Tunica Roadhouse Casino And
Hotel, the best being a 99.92% $5 machine. That would require 40,000 hands
to get to Seven Star but that's pretty manageable over a long week. But I
hear they are closed because of flooding and who knows when they will open
again and if the profitable machines will still be there.

Other than that my only option to do it without giving up many thousands in
theo is some bonus point day at a casino offering 99.5% machines. Given that
I have no history with any, who would be the most likely to give me such
incentives?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#6

MS is a 3% "fee" that is effectively a state tax. The "fee" issue is what
causes trouble in some states. I know Jeane Scott discusses this in her book
but I do not have it.

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
TedZ
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:39 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Best place to grind seven stars?

Dealing with taxes may end up being pretty annoying. I know I can claim a
credit on my state tax return for tax I was 'required to pay' to another
jurisdiction. Are these taxes required to be paid to MS for winnings, or is
it just a withholding that you should be able to claim back if it turns out
you don't owe anything at year end? Can anyone point me to a good source of
info about the various gambling tax laws for the following States which all
have machines that seem promising?:

NJ
NC
LA
MS
IA
MO

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> , "pyiddy"
<pyiddy@...> wrote:

They withhold the IN state income tax of 3.4% at Hammond. Playing 50 play

$

will generate that quite often. (Also I think the machine will lock up so
play can be very slow.) They still do have the 15-11-4-4 deuces and also

8-5

super aces. All MS casinos on the Mississippi river will be closed for at
least 30 days. Also a 3% "tax" is withheld on $1200+ and not all states
allow the reciprocal deduction on their returns.

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:vpF…@…com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of

TedZ
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 11:11 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Best place to grind seven stars?

What is the 'best' casino in the country to grind out Caesars Seven Stars

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#7

Harrah's New Orleans has NSUD.
Also, witholding of state tax and it's sort of Napoleanic law attitude; so you are guilty until proven innocent.

Multiplier days for increased bonus reward credits helps E.V. a bit.

I haven't heard of any base credit multipliers for awhile.

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At the top of the bell curve your loss will be ~$2K as long as you get most of the state tax back and alcohol is not involved. Who's dat? --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "TedZ" <alienantfarm82@...> wrote:

What is the 'best' casino in the country to grind out Caesars Seven Stars ($1,000,000 coin-in I think unless somewhere you get a bonus)? Right now I have no history with any casino outside of vegas, so I have not gotten any bonus point offers or anything like that.

I see on vpfree that Horseshoe Hammond has some amazing games like 50 line $1 Deuces Wild 44 which has 99.96% payout. That could get me there in no time with way less variance than higher coin machines. But I heard that they withhold taxes on large payouts that you can't get back even though I would likely have no net win when I do my taxes. Is this true even for out of state residents?

The only other good machines I see are some at Tunica Roadhouse Casino And Hotel, the best being a 99.92% $5 machine. That would require 40,000 hands to get to Seven Star but that's pretty manageable over a long week. But I hear they are closed because of flooding and who knows when they will open again and if the profitable machines will still be there.

Other than that my only option to do it without giving up many thousands in theo is some bonus point day at a casino offering 99.5% machines. Given that I have no history with any, who would be the most likely to give me such incentives?