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"BEST" games for Mini-jackpots (FPDW/DB/DDB)?

For each session of 9/6 JoB ($0.25), I play till I either lose the
$100 or till i hit the jackpot of a Royal.

For FPDW, there are 2 jackpots -> Royal and quad 2's. When i hit
either i quit.

I have never played any of the "Bonus" variety VP.

I prefer FPDW over JoB not because it has better return (100.7% vs
99.5%) but because there is a 2nd jackpot in DW. to me, that means
less chance of walking away losing the whole $100.

Which type of machine gives me the best possibility of hitting any
mini-jackpot w/o going broke? (take into account the variance.)

I guess I'm asking what's the machine to play that offers me the max
probability of walking away with some $ (based on the criteria that
i walk away when i hit a jackpot/minijackpot)?

THX

Double Bonus is an option, and its easy to find at a variety of demons. The aces are
somewhat easier to hit than the deuces too.

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David <stut70@yahoo.com> wrote:

For each session of 9/6 JoB ($0.25), I play till I either lose the
$100 or till i hit the jackpot of a Royal.

For FPDW, there are 2 jackpots -> Royal and quad 2's. When i hit
either i quit.

I have never played any of the "Bonus" variety VP.

I prefer FPDW over JoB not because it has better return (100.7% vs
99.5%) but because there is a 2nd jackpot in DW. to me, that means
less chance of walking away losing the whole $100.

Which type of machine gives me the best possibility of hitting any
mini-jackpot w/o going broke? (take into account the variance.)

I guess I'm asking what's the machine to play that offers me the max
probability of walking away with some $ (based on the criteria that
i walk away when i hit a jackpot/minijackpot)?

THX

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Double Bonus is an option, and its easy to find at a variety of

demons. The aces are

somewhat easier to hit than the deuces too.

Thank you Nelson, one of the things I appreciate about this board is
that you never know when someone will say something that gets you
thinking in a different manner. When I read your response about aces
being easier to hit than deuces, I thought at first 'that doesnt make
sense, they are both a single denom of card that are the strongest of
thier game', so off I went to WP and started poking around and
depending on the game you are right and wrong (not that it really
matters) I play NSUD and the odds of getting 2's are 1/5365, I also
play Dbl Bonus and the odds of Aces are 1/5030 (full pay 10-7), we
dont have FPDW but I know lots of people play that and the odds of 2's
are 1/4909. I would think that these differences are due to the
stategy changes due to holds where you go for more STRFL in NSUD than
in FPDW and such. In reality they are all pretty close but there are
differences and it is good to think about things like that.

thanks again
Jim

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Nelson Jackson <nelson8300@y...> wrote:

Another strategy would be to play either 3-play or 5-play at a lower denomination. If you play quarters, then try multi line nickels. Instead of one chance at a 4000 coin jackpot, you have 3 or 5 chances at a 4000 coin jackpot, although less money.

For example, a 5-play nickel machine is the same coin-in as a single line quarter machine. However, you have five chances at a $200 jackpot instead of one chance at a $1000 jackpot.

Double Bonus is an option, and its easy to find at a variety of

demons. The aces are

somewhat easier to hit than the deuces too.

Thank you Nelson, one of the things I appreciate about this board is
that you never know when someone will say something that gets you
thinking in a different manner. When I read your response about aces
being easier to hit than deuces, I thought at first 'that doesnt make
sense, they are both a single denom of card that are the strongest of
thier game', so off I went to WP and started poking around and
depending on the game you are right and wrong (not that it really
matters) I play NSUD and the odds of getting 2's are 1/5365, I also
play Dbl Bonus and the odds of Aces are 1/5030 (full pay 10-7), we
dont have FPDW but I know lots of people play that and the odds of 2's
are 1/4909. I would think that these differences are due to the
stategy changes due to holds where you go for more STRFL in NSUD than
in FPDW and such. In reality they are all pretty close but there are
differences and it is good to think about things like that.

thanks again
Jim

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If you take variance into account, there are only 2 games worthy of consideration. FPDW and Pick-Em (600 coins on any quad + the longshot SF and RF).
Double Bonus is a good game, but you will go through 400 credits a lot quicker on a losing session than you will in deuces or Pick-Em .

Regards
A.P.

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Actually, the game I've found that gives me the most small/moderate
wins is FP Joker Kings or Better (20/7). I have frequent $50 free
plays at the Palms and I usually play until the $50 is doubled or
lost. This wouldn't work all that well at FPDW or FPDB, but at JW
all I have to do is hit a couple or three quads (which occur every
104 hands(, or one straight flush or Joker royal, and I'm home.

I've also hit three royals on .25 Joker while massaging my free
play, so the big result isn't precluded either.

The secret here is that much of the payoff is allocated toward
relatively frequent hands, whereas in FPDW, for example, you will
bleed until the deuces hit, which only happens every 5000 hands or
so. We have an expression called "beating the drop", by which we
mean breaking even or better WITHOUT hitting a jackpot hand.
We "beat the drop" on FPJW far more often than on any other game.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "David" <stut70@y...> wrote:

For each session of 9/6 JoB ($0.25), I play till I either lose the
$100 or till i hit the jackpot of a Royal.

For FPDW, there are 2 jackpots -> Royal and quad 2's. When i hit
either i quit.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rockofjello333"
<rockofjello333@y...> wrote:

Actually, the game I've found that gives me the most

small/moderate

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wins is FP Joker Kings or Better (20/7). I have frequent $50 free
plays at the Palms and I usually play until the $50 is doubled or
lost. This wouldn't work all that well at FPDW or FPDB, but at JW
all I have to do is hit a couple or three quads (which occur every
104 hands(, or one straight flush or Joker royal, and I'm home.

I've also hit three royals on .25 Joker while massaging my free
play, so the big result isn't precluded either.

The secret here is that much of the payoff is allocated toward
relatively frequent hands, whereas in FPDW, for example, you will
bleed until the deuces hit, which only happens every 5000 hands or
so. We have an expression called "beating the drop", by which we
mean breaking even or better WITHOUT hitting a jackpot hand.
We "beat the drop" on FPJW far more often than on any other game.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Rock, once again, we are in agreement. My game of choice,

when available is FP KBJW. Perhaps because I play it so much, or
perhaps because I'm just plain lucky at it, I've also had many, many
royals on this game. I also appreciate the frequent secondary 5/kind
& JRF payoffs, as they keep me playimg much longer when I'm lucky
enough to snare them. For that reason, I much prefer JW to DW,
which is my 2nd choice.

My most noteworthy play to date, on JW, was 2 years ago, at the El
Cortez. I sat down at a (then available) bank of .25 M/G machines
that included FPKBJW. I started at one end of the 8 machine bank,
VERY early in the morning when the casino was deserted, and hit
5/kind on 6 of the 8 machines w/i a 2 hour time frame. Since they
were all handpays, the slot team began to look at me rather
strangely. Since I've always tipped well, for any handpay (even
$250) they didn't do anything about it. Boy, was that fun! Needless
to say, that bank is MIA since last year.

              Babe

If you take variance into account, there are only 2 games worthy of

consideration. FPDW and Pick-Em (600 coins on any quad + the longshot
SF and RF).

Double Bonus is a good game, but you will go through 400 credits a

lot quicker on a losing session than you will in deuces or Pick-Em .

Regards
A.P.

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hm..some other posters of this thread said Joker's Wild was also
easier to hit one of the minijackpots?
do you not agree?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Albert Pearson" <a-p@s...> wrote:

I love Jokers wild, but I guess it depends on what you call a mini jackpot. The quads and straight flushes come fairly frequently at Jokers wild but the hands higher than that are fairly rare (wild Royal and 5 of a kind) . So going by the original posters requirements I left Jokers out.

Regards
A.P.

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  From: David
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 1:12 AM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: "BEST" games for Mini-jackpots (FPDW/DB/DDB)?

  --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Albert Pearson" <a-p@s...> wrote:
  > If you take variance into account, there are only 2 games worthy of
  consideration. FPDW and Pick-Em (600 coins on any quad + the longshot
  SF and RF).
  > Double Bonus is a good game, but you will go through 400 credits a
  lot quicker on a losing session than you will in deuces or Pick-Em .
  >
  > Regards
  > A.P.
  >
  >
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

  hm..some other posters of this thread said Joker's Wild was also
  easier to hit one of the minijackpots?
  do you not agree?

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I'm going to betray my preference for low volatility by suggesting
that Jacks is still a reasonable candidate.

I understand the attraction to higher volatility games with "jackpots"
(say hand wins of 500 cr. or more) for single session play of a couple
of hours.

However, when game return is more strongly concentrated in infrequent
higher paying hands the downside is that the drain between those hands
is more intense. I know of no experience more deflating than hitting
Aces in DB but finding that I don't take much away from the session
due to below par return on lower, more frequent hands.

It's not only the case with Jacks that you'll see a smother session.
Your money will tend to last longer given the double pay on 2-pair and
you'll have a greater opportunity to hit those quad runs that will
leave can with a very tidy win, even playing Jacks.

Plus, a $100 session bankroll is a comfortable amount with which to
approach $.50 Jacks - generally looking for it to frequently see you
through at least an hour's play (a period of play that is only
moderately assured at $.25 for many higher volatility games),
increasing the likelihood that you'll come away with a nice sum on
your winning sessions -- a bankroll that I wouldn't even think of
touching $.50 DB with.

The advance to $.50 play can, at some casinos, bump up some promotions.

Bottom line, however, I look to a longer horizon and go with the
highest return game that's available at a denomination that's
comfortable. I'm much happier with sustained longer term wins than
I am with a large session win that tends to evaporate over a limited
number of future visits.

Something to consider: Frugal VP software has a Computer Play option
that does an excellent job of simulating play. It provides a grapical
display of win/loss history over any specified session. I like to do
a run of 10,000 hands, for example, and look at the graph to get a
feel for a game. You can review such a chart for a given game to get
assess the frequency with which $100 would see you through to a
session jackpot or result in a bust.

- Harry

David wrote:

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For each session of 9/6 JoB ($0.25), I play till I either lose the
$100 or till i hit the jackpot of a Royal.

For FPDW, there are 2 jackpots -> Royal and quad 2's. When i hit
either i quit.

I have never played any of the "Bonus" variety VP.

I prefer FPDW over JoB not because it has better return (100.7% vs
99.5%) but because there is a 2nd jackpot in DW. to me, that means
less chance of walking away losing the whole $100.

Which type of machine gives me the best possibility of hitting any
mini-jackpot w/o going broke? (take into account the variance.)

I guess I'm asking what's the machine to play that offers me the max
probability of walking away with some $ (based on the criteria that
i walk away when i hit a jackpot/minijackpot)?

THX

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...>
wrote:

I'm going to betray my preference for low volatility by suggesting
that Jacks is still a reasonable candidate.

I understand the attraction to higher volatility games

with "jackpots"

(say hand wins of 500 cr. or more) for single session play of a

couple

of hours.
                    snip

It's not only the case with Jacks that you'll see a smother

session.

Your money will tend to last longer given the double pay on 2-pair

and

you'll have a greater opportunity to hit those quad runs that will
leave can with a very tidy win, even playing Jacks.

Plus, a $100 session bankroll is a comfortable amount with which to
approach $.50 Jacks - generally looking for it to frequently see

you

through at least an hour's play (a period of play that is only
moderately assured at $.25 for many higher volatility games

- Harry

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

JoB was the original and is still the classic

vp game. I play 9/6 Job occasionally when a. I'm doing badly and
feel the need to play a low volatility game or b. I'm tired and want
to be in a familiar "comfort zone", playing a game with which I'm
100% familiar. However, I do feel that with all the available bonus
games and wild games now available, which have, at least for me, a
higher degree of excitement, that Job can be become a little
tedious....perhaps even boring, when played for long periods of
time. Just MY opinion, of course. I'm sure others will not agree.

                    Babe

David wrote:
>
>
> I guess I'm asking what's the machine to play that offers me the

max

> probability of walking away with some $ (based on the criteria

that

···

> i walk away when i hit a jackpot/minijackpot)?
>
> THX

jackessiebabe wrote:

JoB was the original and is still the classic
vp game. I play 9/6 Job occasionally when a. I'm doing badly and
feel the need to play a low volatility game or b. I'm tired and want
to be in a familiar "comfort zone", playing a game with which I'm
100% familiar. However, I do feel that with all the available bonus
games and wild games now available, which have, at least for me, a
higher degree of excitement, that Job can be become a little
tedious....perhaps even boring, when played for long periods of
time. Just MY opinion, of course. I'm sure others will not agree.

Jump the denomination, Babe. Jacks gets a lot more exciting. If
you're playing $.25 DB comfortably, $.50 JB isn't much of a stretch
(if at all).

Mind you, though, I still advocate playing the higher ER game.

- H.

LOL. For a real "adrenalin rush" (IMHO, of course), along the lines that
Harry's points out, try the 10-line quarters version of JOB, or, maybe, JOB spin
poker at quarters level.

Yes, it is a big step up in stake, but if you have a few $100's burning a hole in
your pocket, it can certainly create a bit of excitement, and drive up "coin-in"
real fast, at a respectable risk (again, IMHO, of course).

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...> wrote:

jackessiebabe wrote:

Job can be become a little

> tedious....perhaps even boring, when played for long periods of
> time. Just MY opinion, of course. I'm sure others will not agree.

Jump the denomination, Babe. Jacks gets a lot more exciting. If
you're playing $.25 DB comfortably, $.50 JB isn't much of a stretch
(if at all).

- H.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@y...>
wrote:

LOL. For a real "adrenalin rush" (IMHO, of course), along the

lines that

Harry's points out, try the 10-line quarters version of JOB, or,

maybe, JOB spin

poker at quarters level.

Yes, it is a big step up in stake, but if you have a few $100's

burning a hole in

your pocket, it can certainly create a bit of excitement, and

drive up "coin-in"

real fast, at a respectable risk (again, IMHO, of course).

>
>
> Jump the denomination, Babe. Jacks gets a lot more exciting. If
> you're playing $.25 DB comfortably, $.50 JB isn't much of a

stretch

···

> (if at all).
>
> - H.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Wow, guys!.....you are guys, right? I said I like

a little excitement with my vp, but not enough to make my heart
thump! I can and do handle .50 denom. on occasion, though on FPJW
rather than JoB. When I switch to a higher denom., the VP God
usually turns into the vp devil, and I soon get my comeuppance.
Playing 1.00 denom. for more than a single Ben Franklin (only 20
plays...sob) is truly too much excitement for me. This is not a
matter of lacking bankroll, merely a reflection of how much I am
willing to risk at vp. Above all, I have to be comfortable and
having fun, or I don't want to play.

Playing 10-line (at $12.50 a pop) is way more than I'm willing to
risk. I play, at single-line .25 denom, on average, more than 10
hours a day. When I'm doing poorly, that translates to negative
$600-$700 oer day.

Mercifully, this a rare occurence for me (as a matter of fact that
is more than I lose usually over a 5 day period) but I'm not happy
when it does happen. I don't think I'd enjoy myself if it happened
with regularity because of the amount I was putting a risk. I
guess I'm more of a "competitive game-player" than a "gambler", at
heart.

Anyway, I appreciate your suggestions and wish you the best of
hands, including the "ultimate SF" (especially on the bottom line of
10-pay!)
            Babe

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...>
wrote:

However, when game return is more strongly concentrated in

infrequent higher paying hands the downside is that the drain between
those hands is more intense. I know of no experience more deflating
than hitting Aces in DB but finding that I don't take much away from
the session due to below par return on lower, more frequent hands.

It's not only the case with Jacks that you'll see a smother

session.

Your money will tend to last longer given the double pay on 2-pair
you'll have a greater opportunity to hit those quad runs that

will leave can with a very tidy win, even playing Jacks.

But is the combined odds of hitting a RF/mini-jackpots in the other
games greater than hitting the royal in JoB?

The way I play is hitting the Royal/quad 2's (fpdw) or go bust w/$100
each session. i play for entertainment and hitting the top spots
often is more fun than hitting the royal once in a while.

What games have better combines odds of Rf/mini-jackpots than rf/2222
in fpdw?

How long do you quit for?

A bathroom break? A beer? An hour? A day? A week? Forever?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "David" <stut70@y...> wrote:

For each session of 9/6 JoB ($0.25), I play till I either lose the
$100 or till i hit the jackpot of a Royal.

For FPDW, there are 2 jackpots -> Royal and quad 2's. When i hit
either i quit.

> But is the combined odds of hitting a RF/mini-jackpots in the

other

games greater than hitting the royal in JoB?

I missed the context of this discussion....so I'll refrain from
answering...

" The way I play is hitting the Royal/quad 2's (fpdw) or go bust w/
$100 each session. i play for entertainment and hitting the top
spots often is more fun than hitting the royal once in a while.
What games have better combines odds of Rf/mini-jackpots than
rf/2222 in fpdw?

I FOUND the std. Kings or BETTER Joker Poker game to be a suitable
alternative (esp. when those deuces are NOT showing up....).

Of course, the game has a slightly lower e.v., unless you can
find the rarer 4700 RF version.

But in the short run, sometimes the quads hit often/frequently,
which can give you a tidy short-term profit.
(or hit a SF/wild RF or 5K, and you'll see what I mean).

I would guess that $100 should give you SOME play for your money, and
hopefully you last a while. (Of course, WITHOUT the joker showing up
every 10-12 hands or so, you could lose fairly quickly).

Good Luck,
Martin

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "David" <stut70@y...> wrote:

. I know of no experience more deflating than hitting

Aces in DB but finding that I don't take much away from the session
due to below par return on lower, more frequent hands.

I know what you mean Harry. I've played a lot of DB over the years and that
happens all too often.
Last wknd at MSS played abt 12 hrs on the .50 DB. Hit the aces 4 times(twice
dealt) and still only made $200.

JAS

. I know of no experience more deflating than hitting
> Aces in DB but finding that I don't take much away from the

session

> due to below par return on lower, more frequent hands.
>
I know what you mean Harry. I've played a lot of DB over the years

and that

happens all too often.
Last wknd at MSS played abt 12 hrs on the .50 DB. Hit the aces 4

times(twice dealt) and still only made $200.

JAS

I've been there, too.....My new acroynm for DB is
Drain-Brain vp,....as it not only drains my bankroll at times,
but also drains my brain (takes more thinking to play correctly,
vs. other vp games).
Martin

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "snow" <jsfs@p...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...>
wrote:

I know of no experience more deflating than hitting
Aces in DB but finding that I don't take much away from the session
due to below par return on lower, more frequent hands.

Ah, Harry, your comment reminds me of a weekend junket I took
several years ago to Harrah's Laughlin. The best game I could find
was $ 10/7 DB so I settled in there and played most of two and a
half days on those machines. Truth be told, I had a remarkable run
on the quad Aces, managing to land them five times for a lovely
$4000 total --- and lost $500 that weekend!

Pete