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Benefits of Sun Wolf and Sagamore VS Foxwoods Gold and Platinum

How would you rate the different player levels at the Connecticut Casinos?

I'll be the first to chime in that as a Mohegan Sun Wolf (800 - 1000 pts every 6 months), I get $80 - $100 in Free Play a month in $15 - $25 weekly increments, access to the three lounges Sunday - Friday for 3 meals a day(free) and to the lounge bars (also free). The Breakfast at the Sachem lounge is repetitve, but the midday and evening food varies every day and is really good. I get a free room every 6 months or so, a free casino gift every month, free concert tickets every other month, an invite to a dinner in the Uncas Ballroom every 4 months with an entry into a drawing for a total of $15,000 for about 1500 Wolf members participating. I also get private parking in the Wolf parking area until the magnetic strip wears out and you have to wait a month for a replacement. A big benefit of the Sun player system is that double points days apply toward the next player level. So if you only play on Dbl Pts days, the normal $150 coin-in per point now gives you 2 points which means you can achieve Wolf status for $60,000 coin-in rather than $120,000.

At Foxwoods, I've only put in about 250 points and thus haven't achieved Gold level. I get $80 of freeplay there also. I get a free casino gift every month. I've seen one free show, no free concerts, no free rooms. Double point days do NOT count toward Gold Card level. If this weeks point downgrade continues after the Day Dreams of Summer promotion($230 coin-in now equals 1 point, (0.44%)), it takes $180,000 to achieve Gold level.

So my question is, what additional benefits do you Sagamore members get (or maybe even Sachem members)? If there are any Foxwoods Gold or Platinum members out there, what are your comps like? As a retired local (5 miles to the Sun, 10 miles to Foxwoods), I am able to make use of all this freeplay and lounge meals. If you have further to travel, how important are some of these benefits?

My current stategy is to play enough at Foxwoods on both my card and my girl friends card (on dbl pts days) to maintain my current benefits there, but not to go for a Gold Card. I may use the last two Mohegan dbl pts days in August to earn 800 more points to go for Sagamore status if it's worth it. That is only 2400 hands (5 hours of play) on the 25 coin $1 JOB machines!!!

Was at Foxwoods last 2 nights for Day Dreams, I did not realize the pts. % was downgraded. Did you "clock" the machines or was the % posted? The VPFree2 database shows differing percentages for various locations at Foxwoods.[Luck for me I did not have this downgrade info before last night, as I had a very good session, Lol!]

As for your strategy, Sagamore friends told me their cash and other offers, etc. were more dependent on their daily average theo than their status. Therefore, I suggest you keep heavy play on your card and play on your girlfriend's card on lighter days.

Personally the level does not matter that much to me, as I rarely take advatage of rooms, shows, etc. Sounds like you have very good utulization, like my friend Dandy Don (the_Yank) who maximized benefit utilization prior to moving out West.

David

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "veepdave" <dhoppell@...> wrote:

At Foxwoods, ... If this weeks point downgrade continues after the Day Dreams of Summer promotion($230 coin-in now equals 1 point, (0.44%)), it takes $180,000 to achieve Gold level.

I clocked it in the Great Cedar Casino on the $1 JOB machines and the $1 LV Airport Deuces machines. I asked a player club boothling what the coin-in requirements to earn one point on VP, and she said it depends and is $50 to $100 (wouldn't that be nice ;-). Hopefully the downgrade is only for that one week. Someone on their management team discovered that their previous 0.71% comp rate would swell to 1.42% on the dbl pts Tueday promotion and then explode to 2.84% on Tuesday with the Day Dream promotion (2.13% the rest of the week). It is kind of sneaky to advetise a good promotion with one hand and then don't advertise that they are taking away the benefits of it with the other hand, but I guess it's player beware time. If they keep this rate in affect, they won't have to worry about players. I'm putting together an e-mail to vpfree2 to update the downgraded comp rate (if it holds) as well as some of the machines that have been downgraded and/or moved.

One of the attributes of the Foxwoods player system that I forgot to mention in my previous post, is that you have to earn at least 15 points in a day in order to "qualify" them towards the next player level. So if you earn 10 points a day for 80 days, you will have 800 points to spend, but you will have 0 qualified points and be no closer to achieving Gold Card status.

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "David" <d_richheimer@...> wrote:

Did you "clock" the machines or was the % posted? The VPFree2
database shows differing percentages for various locations at Foxwoods

...
  It is kind of sneaky to advetise a good promotion with one hand and then don't advertise that they are taking away the benefits of it with the other hand, but I guess it's player beware time. If they keep this rate in affect, they won't have to worry about players. I'm putting together an e-mail to vpfree2 to update the downgraded comp rate (if it holds) as well as some of the machines that have been downgraded and/or moved.
...

Mohegan Sun honored and did not cut short its triple down blackjack promotion in July, even though it was hit hard by numerous advantage players. I guess in the casino business as in any other busines, character matters. At least as players we can avoid or be wary of Foxwoods; I would hate to be one of their bond holders.

David

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "veepdave" <dhoppell@...> wrote:

The VP comp rate in all Foxwood casinos is now $230 coin-in = 1 Point (0.43%). Qualifying Points (which count toward the next player level) are earned at a different rate, $140 coin-in = 1 Qualifying point. You still need to earn at least 15 qualifying points in a day in order for them to count towards the next player level. These rates were computed on Tuesday, Aug 24 by counting the hands on the $1 9/5 JOB progessive machines in the various casinos and noting the number of points and qualifying points earned.

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "veepdave" <dhoppell@...> wrote:

One of the attributes of the Foxwoods player system is that you have to earn at least 15 points in a day in order to "qualify" them towards the next player level.

My wife is close to 7 Stars. We have gambled just a little at MS and she has earned the lower level of the new wolf status. Harrah's upper level Diamond ($300K/year action) blows away MS. And MS simply sucks at correctly inputting requests for concert tickets and room reservations. Went a few weeks ago on a ticket offer and no tickets when we got there. It took an hour to clear it up and had to go upstairs. One host "Matt" had his head up his rear end.

Weather permitting, we are flying "gratis" to AC on Saturday and staying in an awesome suite plus $500 free play.
Bottomline
Wife should reach 7 stars this weekend. Bye Bye MS.

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "veepdave" <dhoppell@...> wrote:

How would you rate the different player levels at the Connecticut Casinos?

I'll be the first to chime in that as a Mohegan Sun Wolf (800 - 1000 pts every 6 months), I get $80 - $100 in Free Play a month in $15 - $25 weekly increments, access to the three lounges Sunday - Friday for 3 meals a day(free) and to the lounge bars (also free). The Breakfast at the Sachem lounge is repetitve, but the midday and evening food varies every day and is really good. I get a free room every 6 months or so, a free casino gift every month, free concert tickets every other month, an invite to a dinner in the Uncas Ballroom every 4 months with an entry into a drawing for a total of $15,000 for about 1500 Wolf members participating. I also get private parking in the Wolf parking area until the magnetic strip wears out and you have to wait a month for a replacement. A big benefit of the Sun player system is that double points days apply toward the next player level. So if you only play on Dbl Pts days, the normal $150 coin-in per point now gives you 2 points which means you can achieve Wolf status for $60,000 coin-in rather than $120,000.

At Foxwoods, I've only put in about 250 points and thus haven't achieved Gold level. I get $80 of freeplay there also. I get a free casino gift every month. I've seen one free show, no free concerts, no free rooms. Double point days do NOT count toward Gold Card level. If this weeks point downgrade continues after the Day Dreams of Summer promotion($230 coin-in now equals 1 point, (0.44%)), it takes $180,000 to achieve Gold level.

So my question is, what additional benefits do you Sagamore members get (or maybe even Sachem members)? If there are any Foxwoods Gold or Platinum members out there, what are your comps like? As a retired local (5 miles to the Sun, 10 miles to Foxwoods), I am able to make use of all this freeplay and lounge meals. If you have further to travel, how important are some of these benefits?

My current stategy is to play enough at Foxwoods on both my card and my girl friends card (on dbl pts days) to maintain my current benefits there, but not to go for a Gold Card. I may use the last two Mohegan dbl pts days in August to earn 800 more points to go for Sagamore status if it's worth it. That is only 2400 hands (5 hours of play) on the 25 coin $1 JOB machines!!!

Dave,
  As a former 7 star player at HET who decided to take his play elsewhere, I find your post very interesting.
   I didn't think that HET differs levels within the Diamond status. I do know for a fact that now they are offering certain add ons to different levels within 7 stars. The offers that you say you are getting might be based more upon what you're playing ie, theo, rather than your Diamond status.
  As I stated I stopped my three year 7 star run this year for several reasons some of which are: I didn't like having to put in $1000 to earn a comp dollar, their cutting back promos to 99% game players, the shabby conditons of their casinos( Ballys) etc.

   Personally, I now give my play mostly to Borgata and some to MS. But the bottom line is , as Jean Scott has said numerous times: " Never marry a casino."

  Larry Feldman

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@...> wrote:

My wife is close to 7 Stars. We have gambled just a little at MS and she has earned the lower level of the new wolf status. Harrah's upper level Diamond ($300K/year action) blows away MS. >
Weather permitting, we are flying "gratis" to AC on Saturday and staying in an awesome suite plus $500 free play.
Bottomline
Wife should reach 7 stars this weekend. Bye Bye MS.

Larry,
I think it's Miss Craps that writes for (or is the secret editor) of the 7* newsletter and has noted that Daimond has several levels. it's seems to be true from our offers over the last few years.

We are definetly interested in adding Borgata if we continue to go to AC. I liked AC a lot. Last weeks trip to Ballys AC was my first in over 10 years and I was impressed with the infrastructure improvements. We would do 4 day trips via Spirit Airlines with Ballys for 2 days and (most likely) Borgata for 2 days.

We try to gamble primairly in high iimit and Ballys was much nicer than the genereal Casino. It even had a juke box. You could pick your music and there was a fancy coffee machine. Mohegan's HL is not close to Bally's or New Orleans. Also, Laughlin HL was great place to gamble (but don't gamble there anymore since the destruction of the FPJB MS.

Our room at Ballys was very nice. The view was mouth-dropping. It was cleaned very well each day (althought the friggin elevators had crap in them). Ate only at Arturo's and a deli that had the best pecan rolls.

Don't get me wrong, I saw some stuff going down in AC that raised our eyebrows including some "working girls" that were boys :slight_smile:

Last week's trip to Ballys was our worst lost ever (10 years of High Limit gambling). We lost $12K on $100K action. That certainly is not sustainable. We are down about $20K this year. Looks like if we are going to have a losing year we are going to do it in a big way.
Dave in Boston

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@> wrote:
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> My wife is close to 7 Stars. We have gambled just a little at MS and she has earned the lower level of the new wolf status. Harrah's upper level Diamond ($300K/year action) blows away MS. >
> Weather permitting, we are flying "gratis" to AC on Saturday and staying in an awesome suite plus $500 free play.
> Bottomline
> Wife should reach 7 stars this weekend. Bye Bye MS.
>

Dave,
  As a former 7 star player at HET who decided to take his play elsewhere, I find your post very interesting.
   I didn't think that HET differs levels within the Diamond status. I do know for a fact that now they are offering certain add ons to different levels within 7 stars. The offers that you say you are getting might be based more upon what you're playing ie, theo, rather than your Diamond status.
  As I stated I stopped my three year 7 star run this year for several reasons some of which are: I didn't like having to put in $1000 to earn a comp dollar, their cutting back promos to 99% game players, the shabby conditons of their casinos( Ballys) etc.

   Personally, I now give my play mostly to Borgata and some to MS. But the bottom line is , as Jean Scott has said numerous times: " Never marry a casino."

  Larry Feldman

I would like to update my post with new information.

My status at the Sun is a newly minted Sagamore(1600 pts, $120,000 coin-in on double points days), with the following recent 9/6 Job machines play mostly on Dbl pt days, Aug 243 pts (coin-in $18,225), Sep 936 pts (coin-in $70,200), Oct $0, Nov 178 pts (coin-in $26,700).

My Sun freeplay offers for November was $0, and appears to be $0 for December also (not enough play and on too good of machines, I guess). Sagamore members get a free room most Sundays - Thursday that they can book directly on MyMoheganSun.com using the Reservations tab. The Sun gave us a Sagamore brunch in November with $50 of freeplay and a drawing for a piece of $40,000 total in prizes. The Wolf brunch drawing was only for $15,000 total and rather than freeplay you got a piece of casino junk ( but makes a great gift!!!). Sagamore private parking is close to both the Sky and Earth casinos. I haven't received any free concert tickets for months and no free casino junk lately, but will probably get lots of Sun WBNA basketball home game tickets when the season starts in the Spring. Sky casino is brightly lit, but earth casino is darkened. No double points have been offered since Sept.

My status at Foxwoods is a newly minted Gold Card(800 pts, $184,000 coin-in). They give us free rooms at the MGM hotel or the Grand Pequot hotel Monday - Thursday. I'm not sure how the high roller lounges work, but we are allowed only two visits and only to the lounge adjacent to the Great Cedar High Limit area. That lounge is cramped, with only six tables that you have to share with other people. The buffet food was very good however. They are giving us two tickets to quite a few of their concerts and shows (Allman Brothers, Aretha Franklin, Legends in Concert, etc). At 150 points of play($17,250 at dbl pts), you get $10 a week of freeplay while at approx. $35,000 coin-in you get an additional $10 of freeplay on Fridays. No private parking area has been offered at the Gold level. All casinos are brightly lit. Wacky Wednesday promotion has been giving 2.5X point muliplier lately.

As far as gambling, the best game at the Sun is 9/6 JOB at the $1 level ($5 a hand to $25 a hand), 8/5 Bonus at the quarter level. You earn points at a $150 per point (.66%).

The best game at Foxwoods is 9/6 JOB at the $1 level but you must play 25 coins to get the full pay on the Royal. They have some pretty good progressive banks (check vpfree2.com for details). You earn points at $230 per point (.43%).

So which casino is better? For the Sun, I'd say the lounges and lounge access are a lot better, the quarter and dollar machines are a lot better, the comp rate of .66% is better, tier level parking is better, the tier level private parties and drawings are better, less coin-in is required to get free rooms during the week ($120K vs $184K), double points count toward attaining tier level is a lot better, they have a high priced gas station on site to spend your points on.

For Foxwoods, at least lately, the Freeplay at $80 a month is better, there are more dbl points days (.43% x 2 = .86%) which gives a better comp rate, the comped concert tickets are a lot better, the progressives are a lot better, there are more separate casinos to get lost in but they are all brightly lit, they have a wonderful restaurant called the Paragon on the 24th floor of Grand Pequot which has wonderful views and excellent food. Foxwoods has hired a new President and I'm sure things will change under his watch (hopefully get better).

I'm thinking that the Sun has the edge, especially at the lower denominations. Which casino do you like better and why?

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "veepdave" <dhoppell@...> wrote:

How would you rate the different player levels at the Connecticut Casinos?

I'll be the first to chime in that as a Mohegan Sun Wolf (800 - 1000 pts every 6 months), I get $80 - $100 in Free Play a month in $15 - $25 weekly increments, access to the three lounges Sunday - Friday for 3 meals a day(free) and to the lounge bars (also free). The Breakfast at the Sachem lounge is repetitve, but the midday and evening food varies every day and is really good. I get a free room every 6 months or so, a free casino gift every month, free concert tickets every other month, an invite to a dinner in the Uncas Ballroom every 4 months with an entry into a drawing for a total of $15,000 for about 1500 Wolf members participating. I also get private parking in the Wolf parking area until the magnetic strip wears out and you have to wait a month for a replacement. A big benefit of the Sun player system is that double points days apply toward the next player level. So if you only play on Dbl Pts days, the normal $150 coin-in per point now gives you 2 points which means you can achieve Wolf status for $60,000 coin-in rather than $120,000.

At Foxwoods, I've only put in about 250 points and thus haven't achieved Gold level. I get $80 of freeplay there also. I get a free casino gift every month. I've seen one free show, no free concerts, no free rooms. Double point days do NOT count toward Gold Card level. If this weeks point downgrade continues after the Day Dreams of Summer promotion($230 coin-in now equals 1 point, (0.44%)), it takes $180,000 to achieve Gold level.

So my question is, what additional benefits do you Sagamore members get (or maybe even Sachem members)? If there are any Foxwoods Gold or Platinum members out there, what are your comps like? As a retired local (5 miles to the Sun, 10 miles to Foxwoods), I am able to make use of all this freeplay and lounge meals. If you have further to travel, how important are some of these benefits?

My current stategy is to play enough at Foxwoods on both my card and my girl friends card (on dbl pts days) to maintain my current benefits there, but not to go for a Gold Card. I may use the last two Mohegan dbl pts days in August to earn 800 more points to go for Sagamore status if it's worth it. That is only 2400 hands (5 hours of play) on the 25 coin $1 JOB machines!!!

I forgot to mention the most important reason for prefering Foxwoods over Mohegan Sun, the 2 pt = $1 cashback. At the normal comp rate of .43%, that gives an additional .22% onto the return of the game you are playing. Play on dbl point days at .86%, then your cashback is .43%. If you play 9/6 JoB perfectly at 99.54% with .43% cashback, you can get close to an even game.

However,
If you play on double point days at MS and travel a lot as my wife and I do, you can use them for Air, cars, hotels, cruises, show tickets etc and only take a 37% hit instead of a 50% hit.
Mel

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "veepdave" <dhoppell@...> wrote:

I forgot to mention the most important reason for prefering Foxwoods over Mohegan Sun, the 2 pt = $1 cashback. At the normal comp rate of .43%, that gives an additional .22% onto the return of the game you are playing. Play on dbl point days at .86%, then your cashback is .43%. If you play 9/6 JoB perfectly at 99.54% with .43% cashback, you can get close to an even game.

ps

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At foxwoods you need to play 25 coins to get the full royal instead of only 5 --- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "veepdave" <dhoppell@...> wrote:

I forgot to mention the most important reason for prefering Foxwoods over Mohegan Sun, the 2 pt = $1 cashback. At the normal comp rate of .43%, that gives an additional .22% onto the return of the game you are playing. Play on dbl point days at .86%, then your cashback is .43%. If you play 9/6 JoB perfectly at 99.54% with .43% cashback, you can get close to an even game.

I don't think that's true for the $1 machines in the Great Cedar high limit room. 5 coins.

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "Melvin" <mel3dmd@...> wrote:

ps
At foxwoods you need to play 25 coins to get the full royal instead of only 5 > > --- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "veepdave" <dhoppell@> wrote:
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> I forgot to mention the most important reason for prefering Foxwoods over Mohegan Sun, the 2 pt = $1 cashback. At the normal comp rate of .43%, that gives an additional .22% onto the return of the game you are playing. Play on dbl point days at .86%, then your cashback is .43%. If you play 9/6 JoB perfectly at 99.54% with .43% cashback, you can get close to an even game.
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look at post 3501 about the job

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:

I don't think that's true for the $1 machines in the Great Cedar high limit room. 5 coins.

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "Melvin" <mel3dmd@> wrote:
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> ps
> At foxwoods you need to play 25 coins to get the full royal instead of only 5 > > > > --- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "veepdave" <dhoppell@> wrote:
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> >
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> > I forgot to mention the most important reason for prefering Foxwoods over Mohegan Sun, the 2 pt = $1 cashback. At the normal comp rate of .43%, that gives an additional .22% onto the return of the game you are playing. Play on dbl point days at .86%, then your cashback is .43%. If you play 9/6 JoB perfectly at 99.54% with .43% cashback, you can get close to an even game.
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The Mohegan Travel Agency vendors web site is:
http://www.globetvl.com
phone number: 1-800-677-4562

The web site offers a full range of travel options: Air travel, Hotels, Cruises, Caribbean resorts, Europe etc.

The rate is 1.5 pts will pay for $1 of travel costs: i.e. $1,000 trip as priced on the web site will take 1,500 Points.

All you have to do is call them to setup an account in your name with your player's card number. Then you can use their web site to pick out your flights/hotels/cruise, but still have to call them to book it. Or you could use them as a full service travel agency and have them do the research into travel options and costs.

I haven't tried it yet but it sounds like a good way to spend points.