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Beginner questions

I've developed an interest in learning how to intelligently play VP.
I live about 4 hours from AC so I expect to do most of my playing
there, but I also plan to vacation in LV. My goal is to hopefully
play a breakeven game and get some comps. I've been reading whatever
I can find in the local bookstore and on the internet. I'd like to
toss a few question out there to take advantage of everyone's VP
wisdom and experience.

1. It seems the best way to go about this is to tackle the learning
curve with a combination of books/software. I think reading a good
book on VP and then practicing what I've read on the computer will be
more effective than just relying on software. I've been testing
WinPoker 6.0 and BVS Video Poker. Frugal Poker doesn't have a demo so
I've had to pass on giving that a test run. I'd like recommendations
on which books/software should be used in conjunction. I'd like to
find something where I don't receive conflicting advice since that
will just confuse me at this stage.

2. Is it possible to find conditions in AC where I can hope to
breakeven and actually get some comps as a part-time player? Which
game should I focus on to learn for my AC play? I submitted my
information to the moderator for the AC forum. I'm still waiting on
access to that forum.

3. Which casinos in AC/LV are recommended? I noticed LVA lists the
best VP games, but it only mentions the game and not the expected
payback.

4. Which slot clubs should I join? Will my play in AC carryover to LV?

I hope my questions make sense and are reasonable to ask at this
stage. If there's anything else that I probably should have asked,
but didn't think of it just let me know. Thanks.

mda141 wrote:

1. It seems the best way to go about this is to tackle the learning
curve with a combination of books/software. I think reading a good
book on VP and then practicing what I've read on the computer will
be more effective than just relying on software. I've been testing
WinPoker 6.0 and BVS Video Poker. Frugal Poker doesn't have a demo
so I've had to pass on giving that a test run. I'd like
recommendations on which books/software should be used in
conjunction. I'd like to find something where I don't receive
conflicting advice since that will just confuse me at this stage.

This forum and acvpp (which you say you've applied to for access) are
perhaps the strongest casual references you will find. Spending
several hours browsing the online archives will be rewarding (although
you'll have to navigate around some of the peripheral topics that
arise from time to time that draw extensive discussion but won't make
much of a contribution to your education ;).

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On the software front, I'd recommend Frugal Video Poker over winpoker
to begin with. It overcomes one key problem that can prove a real
frustration in winpoker practice, handling of those limited situations
in which the presence of a peripheral card to the crux of the hand
(termed a penalty card) calls for a slight twist on the "optimal" play.

The difference in advantage between taking the penalty card into
account and ignoring it and sticking with what otherwise is the
standard play is very small. The best advice for a novice is to
ignore them and, in fact, many more advanced players do just that
since they can prove more a costly distraction than a benefit.
Winpoker will ignore penalty cards only with some modestly complex
tweaking, FVP has a setting that will ignore them altogether. When
learning a difficult game, I'm certain to set my wife loose on FVP.

Frugal Video Poker has the added feature of preparing strategy cards
that you can use as direct reference to determine the best play in any
situation. These are invaluable during practice as well as your
initial play. Outside of FVP, you will have to purchase an additional
software tool (vp strategy master is recommended as an alternative) or
purchase pre-prepared cards from a number of vendors for each game you
wish to play.

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There's a database in this forum of the best games to be found in AC:
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/E.htm

Each entry includes a link to a detailed discussion of the casino and
past comments. (See the vpFREE home page for other useful links.)

In addition, the acvpp forum is ideal for keeping up with the latest
plays and promotions in AC and extensive discussions on the casinos.

4. Which slot clubs should I join? Will my play in AC carryover to
LV?

Obviously you should join where you play, and I personally recommend
joining only when you're prepared to give the casino play at the
strongest level you expect to maintain. I'd avoid joining just to
drop in for an hour's play.

Most casinos target offer strengths to the average level of play you
give them. The stronger that average, the more attractive and
valuable that play.

Others may advocate joining several casinos so you can see what
introductory offers you qualify for. However, it's my experience that
joining up without giving significant play won't likely gain you much
and will impair your longer term average down the road. I recommend
that you focus on only one or two casinos to begin with which sound
most attractive to you based upon everything you read.

Play can carryover to Las Vegas to a limited extend at those casinos
that operate in both places. This now include Caesars/Bally's/Hilton,
Harrah's, and Resorts. Harrah's has recently acquired Caesars, et al
so that down the road expect those operations to be fully integrated.

At minimum, the carryover includes LV access to the comps that you've
earned in AC. You'll also likely receive occasion play offers for LV,
although they may be weaker than what you receive for AC. If
interested in a LV trip, you can call and see if they'll offer better.
If your play qualifies for a host (usually around $15K+/night,
although it varies) a host can pave your way to a LV comp, even if the
property doesn't have a direct relationship in LV>

I hope my questions make sense and are reasonable to ask at this
stage. If there's anything else that I probably should have
asked, but didn't think of it just let me know. Thanks.

They're totally reasonable and intelligent. Spend some time browsing
these forums and you'll find a wealth of useful info. The groups are
(almost :slight_smile: always receptive to members' questions.

- harry

I've had to pass on giving that a test run. I'd like

recommendations

on which books/software should be used in conjunction. I'd like to
find something where I don't receive conflicting advice since that
will just confuse me at this stage.

See also VP Coach and VP Calculator at
http://www.gamblecraft.com

Regards,
Alexandr Orgish

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