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barrings

#1

It is vpFREE's policy to keep the details of disciplinary actions
confidential. I believe that this is the fairest way of handling
these situations, and that it is a standard practice in personnel
matters. Non-principals don't have a need to know the private
details, unless a disciplined member chooses to take the action
public.

If a disciplined member publicly disagrees, on FREEvpFREE or
elsewhere, with my handling of a disciplinary action, I'll
respond as I deem appropriate, and an informed evaluation can be
made of my actions. Until this happens, it is irresponsible to
impugn my motives and actions, based on skeptical speculation
and incomplete information.

vpFREE Administrator

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To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: "rgmustain" <rgmustain@att.net>
Date sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:05:43 -0000
Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Re: barrings

vpFREE Administrator wrote:
  

1. It's impossible for anyone to accurately evaluate my actions
in disciplinary matters unless they are privy to all of the
private as well as the public exchanges that may have taken
place.

Then, why do you keep them a secret? This is a public forum and you
are not being public with your actions. Makes absolutely no sense,
unless of course, you have something to hide.

2. I won't discuss the details of any disciplinary action unless
I'm responding to the disciplined member.

We are not in grade school. I believe this group is comprised of
adults that don't need your unwanted protection.

3. I always try to be fair and objective in enforcing the rules.

But no one really knows now, do they! The world is full of self-
proclaimed philantropists ... some them even get to be Govenors and
get caught with their pants down.

Dick

#2

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpFREE Administrator <vp_free@...>
wrote:

It is vpFREE's policy to keep the details of disciplinary actions
confidential. I believe that this is the fairest way of handling
these situations, and that it is a standard practice in personnel
matters. Non-principals don't have a need to know the private
details, unless a disciplined member chooses to take the action
public.

And who besides YOU is privy to these "situations"? No one. It is
certainly YOUR right to behave in this manner. However, IMO, it is
not all that admirable and, if past history is any indication, YOUR
judgement has been uneven.

If a disciplined member publicly disagrees, on FREEvpFREE or
elsewhere, with my handling of a disciplinary action, I'll
respond as I deem appropriate, and an informed evaluation can be
made of my actions. Until this happens, it is irresponsible to
impugn my motives and actions, based on skeptical speculation
and incomplete information.

Actually, I believe it is "responsible" to point out policies that
are in no ones interest but YOURself. I can tell by YOUR response
that at some level YOU also understand this. I really don't expect to
see any changes as this would make YOUR life more difficult. It is
certainly easier to hide behind a wall of secrecy than put YOUR
actions to the test of public scrutiny.

Dick

#3

> It is vpFREE's policy to keep the details of disciplinary actions
> confidential. I believe that this is the fairest way of handling
> these situations, and that it is a standard practice in personnel
> matters. Non-principals don't have a need to know the private
> details, unless a disciplined member chooses to take the action
> public.

And who besides YOU is privy to these "situations"? No one.

The disciplined member knows what happened, and can go
public if they feel they were treated unfairly. If that happens,
I'll respond with reasons for my actions.

It is certainly YOUR right to behave in this manner. However,
IMO, it is not all that admirable and, if past history is any
indication, YOUR judgement has been uneven.

You have insufficient information to reach this conclusion
because you don't have access to relevant private emails.

> If a disciplined member publicly disagrees, on FREEvpFREE or
> elsewhere, with my handling of a disciplinary action, I'll
> respond as I deem appropriate, and an informed evaluation can be
> made of my actions. Until this happens, it is irresponsible to
> impugn my motives and actions, based on skeptical speculation
> and incomplete information.

Actually, I believe it is "responsible" to point out policies that
are in no ones interest but YOURself.

Expressing your disagreement with policies is fine. Impugning
my motives and actions is irresponsible because you have
incomplete information about past disciplinary actions.

I can tell by YOUR response that at some level YOU also
understand this. I really don't expect to
see any changes as this would make YOUR life more difficult. It is
certainly easier to hide behind a wall of secrecy than put YOUR
actions to the test of public scrutiny.

On the contrary, it would be much easier on me if I routinely
posted all of the details on every disciplinary action. A
confidentiality policy is a standard practice in personnel matters,
and is for the benefit of sanctioned members rather than me. I
try to enforce the rules impersonally and objectively and have
nothing to hide.

I invite any member who believes they have ever been disciplined
unfairly to post the details here on FREEvpFREE and I'll respond
with the reasons for my actions.

vpFREE Administrator

#4

Take it like a man, Dick. Accept that you're not in charge here and
someone else is. Play a few more hours tomorrow and get over it! We
can almost hear you crying all across the Internet. My vpFREE posts
have almost always been edited out, and to help you out just a tad,
it's not the end of the world. But your itch goes beyond arguing with
the admin. You want to show him that you're smarter than he. too bad
I just saw STRIKE 3! whiz right thru that hole in your head!!

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpFREE Administrator <vp_free@>
wrote:
>
> It is vpFREE's policy to keep the details of disciplinary actions
> confidential. I believe that this is the fairest way of handling
> these situations, and that it is a standard practice in personnel
> matters. Non-principals don't have a need to know the private
> details, unless a disciplined member chooses to take the action
> public.

And who besides YOU is privy to these "situations"? No one. It is
certainly YOUR right to behave in this manner. However, IMO, it is
not all that admirable and, if past history is any indication, YOUR
judgement has been uneven.

>
> If a disciplined member publicly disagrees, on FREEvpFREE or
> elsewhere, with my handling of a disciplinary action, I'll
> respond as I deem appropriate, and an informed evaluation can be
> made of my actions. Until this happens, it is irresponsible to
> impugn my motives and actions, based on skeptical speculation
> and incomplete information.

Actually, I believe it is "responsible" to point out policies that
are in no ones interest but YOURself. I can tell by YOUR response
that at some level YOU also understand this. I really don't expect

to

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

see any changes as this would make YOUR life more difficult. It is
certainly easier to hide behind a wall of secrecy than put YOUR
actions to the test of public scrutiny.

Dick

#5

Dear Admin:

I take full responsibility for Dick's atrocious behavior and
inappropriate, unkind words. While he rarely sits back during
conflict involving a famous name or otherwise empowered personality
because of his need to feel as if he belongs by virtue of what he
likes to believe is his "higher form of knowledge", if it weren't for
the constant pummelling and ridicule I lay on him he wouldn't be so
riled up over what's really a personal issue between others. He's a
reactive soul--never procative. Therefore, wind him up and have fun
ruffling his feathers for weeks to come!

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpFREE Administrator <vp_free@...>
wrote:

> > It is vpFREE's policy to keep the details of disciplinary

actions

> > confidential. I believe that this is the fairest way of handling
> > these situations, and that it is a standard practice in

personnel

> > matters. Non-principals don't have a need to know the private
> > details, unless a disciplined member chooses to take the action
> > public.

> And who besides YOU is privy to these "situations"? No one.

The disciplined member knows what happened, and can go
public if they feel they were treated unfairly. If that happens,
I'll respond with reasons for my actions.

> It is certainly YOUR right to behave in this manner. However,
> IMO, it is not all that admirable and, if past history is any
> indication, YOUR judgement has been uneven.

You have insufficient information to reach this conclusion
because you don't have access to relevant private emails.

> > If a disciplined member publicly disagrees, on FREEvpFREE or
> > elsewhere, with my handling of a disciplinary action, I'll
> > respond as I deem appropriate, and an informed evaluation can be
> > made of my actions. Until this happens, it is irresponsible to
> > impugn my motives and actions, based on skeptical speculation
> > and incomplete information.

> Actually, I believe it is "responsible" to point out policies

that

> are in no ones interest but YOURself.

Expressing your disagreement with policies is fine. Impugning
my motives and actions is irresponsible because you have
incomplete information about past disciplinary actions.

> I can tell by YOUR response that at some level YOU also
> understand this. I really don't expect to
> see any changes as this would make YOUR life more difficult. It

is

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> certainly easier to hide behind a wall of secrecy than put YOUR
> actions to the test of public scrutiny.

On the contrary, it would be much easier on me if I routinely
posted all of the details on every disciplinary action. A
confidentiality policy is a standard practice in personnel matters,
and is for the benefit of sanctioned members rather than me. I
try to enforce the rules impersonally and objectively and have
nothing to hide.

I invite any member who believes they have ever been disciplined
unfairly to post the details here on FREEvpFREE and I'll respond
with the reasons for my actions.

vpFREE Administrator