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Rob_Singer1 · January 14, 2020, 4:37pm

"Rob - I would not mind helping out, but I'd first have to see the video tape replay. I was once scam'd years back by a person who claimed they had their money stolen in a casino, and I swore "never again".

I wouldn't fault anyone who was a bit gun-shy because of a bad experience. At least you had some input here - which is appreciated. But I believe such concern is mitigated by the small amount asked from those who would choose to support this. I think we can accept that viewing the tape is out of the question. And this is certainly not a common occurence for our members or their families.

The point is, we have a young couple that actually won 50% more than their starting bankroll playing the game that is the reason for this forum. Isn't beating the casinos what it's all about? Yet there's a nightmare ending to this success story, and we have a chance to do something about it. In most such cases we find it nearly impossible to realize what it's like to walk in 'the other guy's' shoes. But in this case I think we can. We think nothing of blowing $5 at any machine. Why not put it to good use for someone to whom it would mean a huge amount? Would it hurt yearly results THAT much? Maybe I AM different than most video poker people.

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Sally_tribbles · January 14, 2020, 5:57pm

We think nothing of blowing $5 at any machine. Why not put it to good
use for someone to whom it would mean a huge amount? Would it hurt
yearly results THAT much? Maybe I AM different than most video poker
people.

Yes dear, you might be. True love is rare.
Sal

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mkl54321_mkl54321 · January 14, 2020, 5:57pm

Several people took exception with the tone of my post re
this "unfortunate" incident. Well, I suppose I could have been less
brusque, but does anyone think that this was anything but rank
stupidity combined with bad luck? WE SHOULD NOT EXTEND SYMPATHY.
Anyone so careless as to stick thousands of dollars in a duffel bag.
and THEN, put the duffel bag DOWN, deserves what he gets! Doesn't
anyone believe in being responsible for one's own actions?

I learned at the age of five, to keep my money on my person at all
times. The person in question learned this valuable lesson a bit
later in life, but he sure as hell learned it (I hope!!) If this
does any good at all, it's to underscore the fact that Vegas is NOT
Pumpkin Falls, Iowa, and there is a LOT of petty crime here.

What I found most disturbing was the immediate whirling around and
trying to find someone to BLAME. The casino may have been less than
fully cooperative. So what? The fact is, if the "victim" had put his
money in his wallet, and his wallet in his pocket LIKE A SENSIBLE
PERSON, this wouldn't have happened in the first place. Obviously,
the thief saw him stuffing this money into the duffel bag, and then
followed him around until an opportune moment came to snatch it.
This was NOT a random event, as snatching duffel bags from randomly
selected tourists would almost always only yield a few days' worth
of dirty laundry.

Let's try another scenario. Bro-in-law actually blew back all $3
grand late the previous night, but was embarassed to tell anyone,
including his new bride, about it. So he disposed of the bag
himself. OR, the theft was real, but the money in the bag was
actually $14, the rest having been blown the night before, as above.

And as for the ludicrous idea that some sort of "collection" be
taken up to "reimburse" this person for his "misfortune", consider
that he will just do something equally foolish and careless next
time he comes to Vegas, UNLESS the fact of his loss is allowed to
sink in, and he learns to put his money in a wallet and carry it on
his person.

And yes indeedy, I DO in fact feel that in many cases, including
this one, the "victim" IS largely responsible for the crime. Imagine
a person walking down a city street late at night, and stopping and
asking all the street people if they have change for a hundred (and
flashing the hundred!). Would you be surprised if this person got
whacked on the head and robbed? And whose "fault" would it be?

Actions have consequences. Ill-advised actions frequently have
negative consequences. We are in the midst of a societal trend where
one is not considered responsible for the consequences of one's
actions if someone else can REMOTELY be blamed for them instead. I
refuse to concur with this bizarre notion.

David_Kathary · January 14, 2020, 5:57pm

Hello,

I disagree -- the fault lies with the thief. But some good points made.

David K

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----- Original Message -----
  From: mkl54321
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 3:27 AM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: "Bad luck" at the Flamingo: A note from uncaring meanie

  Several people took exception with the tone of my post re
  this "unfortunate" incident. Well, I suppose I could have been less
  brusque, but does anyone think that this was anything but rank
  stupidity combined with bad luck? WE SHOULD NOT EXTEND SYMPATHY.
  Anyone so careless as to stick thousands of dollars in a duffel bag.
  and THEN, put the duffel bag DOWN, deserves what he gets! Doesn't
  anyone believe in being responsible for one's own actions?

  I learned at the age of five, to keep my money on my person at all
  times. The person in question learned this valuable lesson a bit
  later in life, but he sure as hell learned it (I hope!!) If this
  does any good at all, it's to underscore the fact that Vegas is NOT
  Pumpkin Falls, Iowa, and there is a LOT of petty crime here.

  What I found most disturbing was the immediate whirling around and
  trying to find someone to BLAME. The casino may have been less than
  fully cooperative. So what? The fact is, if the "victim" had put his
  money in his wallet, and his wallet in his pocket LIKE A SENSIBLE
  PERSON, this wouldn't have happened in the first place. Obviously,
  the thief saw him stuffing this money into the duffel bag, and then
  followed him around until an opportune moment came to snatch it.
  This was NOT a random event, as snatching duffel bags from randomly
  selected tourists would almost always only yield a few days' worth
  of dirty laundry.

  Let's try another scenario. Bro-in-law actually blew back all $3
  grand late the previous night, but was embarassed to tell anyone,
  including his new bride, about it. So he disposed of the bag
  himself. OR, the theft was real, but the money in the bag was
  actually $14, the rest having been blown the night before, as above.

  And as for the ludicrous idea that some sort of "collection" be
  taken up to "reimburse" this person for his "misfortune", consider
  that he will just do something equally foolish and careless next
  time he comes to Vegas, UNLESS the fact of his loss is allowed to
  sink in, and he learns to put his money in a wallet and carry it on
  his person.

  And yes indeedy, I DO in fact feel that in many cases, including
  this one, the "victim" IS largely responsible for the crime. Imagine
  a person walking down a city street late at night, and stopping and
  asking all the street people if they have change for a hundred (and
  flashing the hundred!). Would you be surprised if this person got
  whacked on the head and robbed? And whose "fault" would it be?

  Actions have consequences. Ill-advised actions frequently have
  negative consequences. We are in the midst of a societal trend where
  one is not considered responsible for the consequences of one's
  actions if someone else can REMOTELY be blamed for them instead. I
  refuse to concur with this bizarre notion.

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David_Kathary · January 14, 2020, 5:57pm

You're a hard man MK154.
David K